Running & soreness

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My dad sent me this and I thought it was interesting.

After a marathon you can tell what kind of training you could have used more of, by which sets of muscles are more sore. You can tell somewhat during training which muscles need more work, but the marathon is the best indicator.

Training needs indicators:

Endurance - Sore calf muscles
Speed - front of upper legs
Stamina - chest/chest muscles

So if all sets are equally sore, you have done a fairly balanced training schedule.

Hamsting pain is an indication of overwork or working out with stiff muscles.
 
That is interesting. Now I'm trying to think back to what specifically was sore after I ran a half last year. My legs were quite sore for about two days, but I can't really remember what part was sore. It was probably my endurance that was lacking though. I hadn't done many long runs in the weeks leading up to the half. I wasn't really in shape to run it, but I signed up for it and decided just to go nice and slowly. I do remember though that my upper body wasn't sore at all.

BTW, what's the difference between endurance and stamina? I always tend to use those words interchangably.
 
I think Stamina is more related to strength and power throughout the run, where endurance is just how long you can run. So, stamina may be more the ability to hold your pace. I'm not certain on this though.
 
I am sore in my joints (knees and ankles) any idea what this means or what exercises I can do to strengthen these areas.
 
found it!

Drex- what is the source here- FIRST BIG QUESTION IS Source== experience of trial and error by dad? (hoping so).

upper quads- speed? meaning what? Today my upper quads are a bit sorer than after a typical long run day. But, I did run 30, sb 10's. Typically on a long run I would try to hold a 10-10:15. (RPE 2-3 for training) I race much faster-- well depending on the race of course. If I can hold 10's for the 26.2 to close my 140.6 I will be thrilled.

SO- do my sore upper quads mean I need to speed train more, or that I ran too fast for my current speed capacity, or what?

Where does weight training fit into this diagnosis?

I am very interested in this thinking. I like it alot because it is basically a "go out and test yourself, get back into shed and fix it, go test yo0urself again" type of thinking- I am a big fan of that- IT INCLUDES SWEATING DAILY- not opening a book. ;)

FF
 
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Leg soreness

I run every day and have completed a marathon. My question is at night it feels like my legs( primarily my quads and hamstrings) are just tightening up and they get really sore.

Should I consider a massage theropist for this as has been recomended by friends?

Thanks
 
flyinfree said:
found it!

Drex- what is the source here- FIRST BIG QUESTION IS Source== experience of trial and error by dad? (hoping so).

upper quads- speed? meaning what? Today my upper quads are a bit sorer than after a typical long run day. But, I did run 30, sb 10's. Typically on a long run I would try to hold a 10-10:15. (RPE 2-3 for training) I race much faster-- well depending on the race of course. If I can hold 10's for the 26.2 to close my 140.6 I will be thrilled.

SO- do my sore upper quads mean I need to speed train more, or that I ran too fast for my current speed capacity, or what?

Where does weight training fit into this diagnosis?

I am very interested in this thinking. I like it alot because it is basically a "go out and test yourself, get back into shed and fix it, go test yo0urself again" type of thinking- I am a big fan of that- IT INCLUDES SWEATING DAILY- not opening a book. ;)

FF
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I will check with my dad. I'm not sure for most of your questions. My thoughts, according to the info in the originasl post... You increased speed resulting in sore quads. For 30 miles, your endurance and stamina are stronger than your speed. If your goal was a 30 miles race, I think this would indicate you need to work on speed, as endurance and stamina seem to be "higher" for this run.

ok, my dad called me back while I was typing this. I'm going to just leave what I typed above.

Let me see how much I can remember now after talking to him for an hour after asking him these questions.

Source: Yes, this is from my dads experiences.

To Sparrow, he says butt muscles fall under speed work.

FF, he says that your quads are sore because you increased speed on your training run. Basically, what you work on improving should be the muscle set that ends up sore. He said that mild soreness is ok, but if it gets really sore you should back off. Progressivly building up that area. The race will be more beneficial to find out where you need more training.

As for weight training, my dad has not really ever done much for weight training. He said if you are weight training, that will negate this. Whatever muscles you are working in weight training may end up sore and won't have anything to do with your running.

Hope I didn't hack that up too much.
 
dalekeener said:
I run every day and have completed a marathon. My question is at night it feels like my legs( primarily my quads and hamstrings) are just tightening up and they get really sore.

Should I consider a massage theropist for this as has been recomended by friends?

Thanks
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I am far from being an expert, but I have heard good things about massage theropy. I have never actually gone and tried it though.
 
dalekeener said:
I run every day and have completed a marathon. My question is at night it feels like my legs( primarily my quads and hamstrings) are just tightening up and they get really sore.

Should I consider a massage theropist for this as has been recomended by friends?

Thanks
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Just out of curiosity, what kind of mileage are you logging on a weekly basis?

To answer your question, yes, massage will help. A good marathon will actually have massage tables at the finish. If you can tip them, do so, they are rubbing your smelly body. :)
 
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