Opinions on work out I just put together

zebrasinamerica

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Monday
1. Ride (30 min)
2. Bent Knee Sit Ups
3. Jackknife Sit Ups
4. Close Grip Bench
5. Barbell Side Bend
6. Barbell Twist (Seated)
7. Close Grip Concentrated Curl w/Curl Bar
8. Incline Bench Leg Pull Ins
9. Weighted Leg Raise
10. Dumbbell Fly
11. Bend To Opposite Foot (w/Dumbbell)
12. Lying Leg Crossovers
13. Dumbbell Curls
14. Jog 1/2 Mile
15. Ride (30 min)
 
Wednesday
1. Ride (45 min)
2. Bent Knee Sit - Ups
3. Jackknife Sit - Ups
4. Twisting Hyper Extensions
5. Barbell Side Bend
6. Seated Barbell Twist
7. Bent Over Dumbbell Row
8. Incline Bench Pull Ins
9. Weighted Leg Raise
10. Standing Tricep Extensions
11. Bend to Opposite Foot (w/Dumbbell)
12. Lying Leg Crossover
13. Push Ups w/Feet On Bench
14. Jog 1/2 Mile
15. Ride (30 min)
 
Friday
1. Ride (45 min)
2. Bent Knee Sit Ups
3. Jackknife Sit Ups
4. Front Lunge
5. Barbell Side Bend
6. Seated Barbell Twists
7. Dumbbell Military Press
8. Incline Bench Pull Ins
9. Weighted Leg Raise
10. Side Lunge
11. Bend To Opposite Foot (w/Dumbbell)
12. Lying Leg Crossovers
13. Dips
14. Jog 1/2 Mile
15. Ride (30 min)
 
Honestly, I think it is terrible. Are you working out in a gym? Answer this and then we will dive into how we can improve it.
 
yes, I am working out in a gym. I am not looking for bulk at all, I am actaully looking for toning and fat burning I am at 205ish right now and my goal is to get back to 165-170.

Just out of curiosity what is terrible about it?
 
yes, I am working out in a gym. I am not looking for bulk at all, I am actaully looking for toning and fat burning I am at 205ish right now and my goal is to get back to 165-170.

Just out of curiosity what is terrible about it?

Let's get into some discussion here, this is a great topic and I am seeing a lot of bad information around here.

First, different workouts do not lead to toning vs. bulking. Lifting weights in any fashion, you either build muscle, or you don't. It is that simple. If your weight lifting is coupled with a caloric surplus, you are most likely going to add muscle. If your weight lifting is coupled with a caloric deficit, you are NOT going to build muscle.

Toning? What exactly do you mean by that? If you are trying to lean out, which is what I am assuming you mean, getting that lean look is a function of diet and fat loss mainly.... and not resistance training.

If weight loss is your goal, which you already mentioned that it was, then you are obviously going to have to restrict calories in some fashion. Because of this, you are most likely not going to add any muscle to your body while pushing the weights around. Muscle building is a very energy intensive process. If the body is already not getting enough energy through your diet due to your caloric deficit, what makes you think that it will actually go above and beyond your basic bodily maintenance and add something that is very energy expensive?

That is not to say that resistance training is not good to do during a caloric deficit.

When calories are not sufficient, we have said weight loss. The goal is to have the weight loss comprised of mainly fat. Muscle loss is going to happen regardless, but we can minimize this by supplementing a proper resistance training regiment and tweaking the diet for the proper macronutrient quantities. Since muslce is very energy expensive tissue, when calories are low, it most likely wants to get rid of the expensive stuff. Lifting weights triggers the biochemical signals from your CNS to say, "Hey, maybe I want to hold on to this muscle if I my body is going to continue being taxed like this."

Ok, so what is wrong with the routine that you have presented?

Any steady state aerobic exercise, such as your riding, I would recommend performing after the resistance training.

You have a boat load of core dominant exercises. Why? I ask this because any properly designed resistance training regiment should be comprised most of compound exercises such as the squat, deadlift, horizontal pressing, horizontal pulling, vertical pressing, vertical pulling. It is that simple. Most of these exercises will involve the core already. If anything, a few sets of crunches per week will do.

How many sets and reps are you doing of each exercise?

How long is this routine taking you each day?

I can tell you right now that you have far too many exercises per session.

Let's continue the discussion once you reply to this.

Look forward to hearing from you! :)
 
Any steady state aerobic exercise, such as your riding, I would recommend performing after the resistance training.

I've heard that alot... but personally I don't like doing it myself. If I do strength training first, I am already worn out before I even hit my road bike on my trainer, so once I do get on it, I have horrible form and I'm very sloppy. I don't see how working out for another half an hour in this state would be beneficial. If my legs feel like mush from squats and my core cannot stabilize much of anything and my hamstrings want to lock up if you even look at them crosseyed, then how can I get a meaningful aerobic workout on my bike? Seems like my fatigued muscles wouldn't let me get to the point where my legs are learning to clear lactic acid and my heart and lungs are doing the work that I want them to.
 
I have not started this routine yet, my plan was to get some opinions on it and if they were positive i would start on monday and if they were negative i would re work it. I'm really trying to stay away from the squat and bench type of exercises. I'm looking more for a routine that say a marathon runner or a competitive cyclist would use in the off season.
 
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I'm looking more for a routine that say a marathon runner or a competitive cyclist would use in the off season.

I was trying to do the same thing, so I asked several, including some of my buddies who are semi-pro and expert racers. It was quite surprising to find out how few of them lifted at all, and even more surprising to see the low amount of weight that the rest of them were lifting, and fairly shocking to see how few weren't doing much of any kind of upper body stuff.

So, I just did my own thing then tinkered around with a circuit routine that may seem lame to some, but left me feeling great. Basically I'm bumping up a class to the sport level in mountain bike racing this spring, which means that my distances are going to double, and my competitors will be MUCH faster, so doing well in those races was my goal, but I just had a hard time finding people who could say "this is what helped me". Actually I did find many, and their response was to simply ride or run more, which is true, but dang, it's winter! :D

Just thought I'd mention that because I too was after "a routine that say a marathon runner or a competitive cyclist would use in the off season". I just couldn't find one.
 
First off, are you a man or a woman?

For the same goal, men and women generally can approach things differently due to the amounts of testosterone for starters!

I have the opinion from your wording that you are a woman?

Steve has done a good post there, certainly something id look at again if i were you.

If you are female - what make you think you can 'bulk up' just like that? haha it makes me chuckle when i hear lady's saying that.

Ladies have about 5% or even less of the amount of testosterone of what a man has. Testosterone is the man ingredient in muscle growth - without it, you just wouldn't grow! thats why men are generally bigger than women.

now, i am 200lb and 3 years ago i was 156. so i've put on just over 3 stone in just over 3 years. lets say 1 lb of muscle for every month i have been working out. I am a MAN and i've been going the gym doing hardcore workouts for 3 years just to gain 1lb per month!!! and that would be considered good on anyones level.

SO!, since you (as i said i guess) are a lady, there's no hope in hell that you will put anywhere near that on. firstly you would need a hardcore workout liek me (which you are FAR from) you would have to have a really spot on diet like me too(which i doubt you will have) so to start working out in any fashion - the best being what steve said as i mentioned, would prove very beneficial, while NOT adding a lot of muscle to your frame...

Did you know that bike riding is ok, but you will burn more fat by walking fast on a treadmill? You can cycle or even run as FAST as you like, but for effort put in, you wont get better fat lose than fast paced walking. why? I'll tell you:

If you run at a steady pace (7-9MPH) you will certainly burn calories yes... but were are tho's cals coming from? they're from fat stores yes (which is what we want) but also from carbohydrates due to the intensity. when you just walk fast, your body doesn't quite see it as a 'demanding' activity and so a much higher % of cals for energy come from your own FAT STORES.. which means you'll use more of YOU for energy and not from the other energy sources in you (carbs from food/drink)

reducing fat will be the only way to show them abs you have too.
 
Wala, I'm a man and I usually put on muscle mass rather easily. Not saying I could look like a body builder but I have a fairly stocky build naturally with broad shoulders and big legs but as I was a road bike racer for about a half a season and broke my hand. I got the build I wanted by riding my bike pretty much everyday for about 9 months. I got where I wanted rather quickly and maintained with out a problem. My problem now is that I was at a point when I was racing that I am so far from now I get discouraged and can not motivate myself to get out there and do the work needed to get back to where I was.

Marshall
 
Wala, I'm a man and I usually put on muscle mass rather easily. Not saying I could look like a body builder but I have a fairly stocky build naturally with broad shoulders and big legs but as I was a road bike racer for about a half a season and broke my hand. I got the build I wanted by riding my bike pretty much everyday for about 9 months. I got where I wanted rather quickly and maintained with out a problem. My problem now is that I was at a point when I was racing that I am so far from now I get discouraged and can not motivate myself to get out there and do the work needed to get back to where I was.

Marshall

Right Marshall, I see..

If you want to get back to where you were at that point, then all you need to do really is do what you originally did??? Seems the only thing lacking is the motivation as you pointed out.

To sort out a problem like that, you need asj ask what it is that you cant be bothered with or if there are any down sides to doing what you originally did and if so addressing them. What do you think the main reason is for your low motivation?

Apart from that, I would definately not do the workout you suggested. Instead, tell us what it is exaclty what you want to achieve and the guys here will help.

Tell us what weight you are, what you want to be, he side you want to be, the types of things you actually like to do for working out and we can take it from there..
 
well pretty much all i did to get there was ride A LOT and not eat much. However this took so much time out of my daily life and at the current moment I don't have the extra 2 hours 5 days a week to devote to this type of training. This is why I was hoping that there would be some sort of work out that I could do at the gym that could possibly give me the same type of results. This is why I had put so many core exercises into my routine that I had put together.

Marshall
 
So let me make sure I understand you.

Is your current goal to look how you did when you were racing?

Or is it to become a racer again?
 
if i had the time to devote i would love to race again but with my current life style it will be a very tough feat to accomplish if you know what I'm saying. My work schedule puts a bind on training time

Marshall
 
if i had the time to devote i would love to race again but with my current life style it will be a very tough feat to accomplish if you know what I'm saying. My work schedule puts a bind on training time

Marshall

So you should be training and eating for physique improvement, correct?
 
correct, the physique i'm looking for is that of a cyclist/runner though. and that is where i'm running into the problem figuring out what to do
 
Look man. You need to cut some fat, right? You said you were 205 and want to get down to 160-170 if I remember.

Weight training is not the important variable you should be considering, or I should say, worrying about so much at the moment.

Your main area of focus should be your nutritional program. I brought this up before to you and you did not really comment on it.

Resistance training while in a caloric deficit (required for said weight loss) exists merely to help maintain the muscle you currently have. Yes, this is an important function, but really its only while energy is deficient.

Does all of this make sense to you?

I could easily tell you what kind of exercises you should be doing, but they mean squat toward your weight loss/recomposition unless your nutrition is in check.

So tell me how you want me to help you.
 
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