No Business Running!

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sorridere

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What's your take on this article?

(for those of you who are too lazy to look at the article it basically says that running is an advanced workout and should only be done after building up muscles by lifting)

Here is an interesting point:

"With this type of clientele, I'd never start them off on the first day with 1,500 reps of a one-legged plyometric exercise. Running for one mile is exactly that; 1,500 reps (steps) of a plyometric exercise. While studying exercise prescriptions, I was always taught that plyometrics are an advanced exercise that shouldn't be used until a client has built up their strength.

Coach Mike Boyle pointed out that, "Running produces forces in the area of two to five times bodyweight per foot contact." So now we're talking 1,500 reps with a load of two to five times your bodyweight. Pretty advanced stuff, don't you think?"

Opinons?
 
sorridere said:
What's your take on this article?

(for those of you who are too lazy to look at the article it basically says that running is an advanced workout and should only be done after building up muscles by lifting)

Here is an interesting point:

"With this type of clientele, I'd never start them off on the first day with 1,500 reps of a one-legged plyometric exercise. Running for one mile is exactly that; 1,500 reps (steps) of a plyometric exercise. While studying exercise prescriptions, I was always taught that plyometrics are an advanced exercise that shouldn't be used until a client has built up their strength.

Coach Mike Boyle pointed out that, "Running produces forces in the area of two to five times bodyweight per foot contact." So now we're talking 1,500 reps with a load of two to five times your bodyweight. Pretty advanced stuff, don't you think?"

Opinons?
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No not really; thank God i read this first before going to the article....well i might go there later...but if this was true then whoever CAN run a mile CAN also do 1500 reps with a load of 2 to 5 (lol) times his/her bodyweight right? Let me take a look at the article now; more, soon, on the subject.
 
Ok, parts of the article underlined:

Still Have The Urge to Run?

So, are you still determined to run or have I talked you out of it? I don't necessarily want to convince you not to, but I want to make women aware that it's an advanced exercise. It isn't for beginning, out of shape people trying to get fit. For those individuals, there are better choices.

If you're a woman who simply wants to be leaner, lose weight, and look more like a figure competitor, running doesn't have to be a part of your routine. On the other hand, if you have a goal of completing an endurance event or just enjoy running, you'll need to include an injury prevention strength training program.

Well, if it isn't for beginners, then YOU HAVE TO INSIST they shouldn't do it. Make up your mind already! Is it advanced and dangerous? Then talk them out of it!!!!!!!!!! (lol)

A good strenghtening program to accommodate running is a good idea and everyone should follow it, and people in this forum DO follow it, there's nothing new there.

You Either Have It or You Don't

While building up my running mileage for my Ironman, I ran with a group who was training for the LA Marathon. Over a thousand dedicated people met at 7 AM every Saturday for 28 weeks.

Over ten weeks the group had run between 12 and 20 miles on their long distance days. Now this is a lot of mileage and you'd think someone doing this much would look like a runner. Well, let me tell you that out of the thousand-plus people that showed up every Saturday, the people who looked like runners when we started still looked like runners.

And the people who didn't resemble runners at all, still didn't. But they're now sporting fancy new knee braces. Nobody's body had changed, but many of them had accumulated injuries.

I hate to break it to you, but running doesn't work to give you a "runner's body." The elite runners had those bodies to start with, which is what makes them great.


So... many things misleading in this part. You should expect most of the injuries to come from people that weigh more, that's only natural. MAYBE RUNNING MORE THAN 12 MILES had to do something with it. You see, when you are a great runner, you can't really understand how hard it is for people who are not, especially when you are training in the same group. The people who are not used to running that kind of distances week in week out are going to suffer. The same thing happened to me when i entered my first 5k race. I got carried away by the really good runners, i started with them (stubborn Greeks, it's in our blood) at a very fast pace and at the second half of the race i nearly had a heart attack. Lesson learned, the hard way, and since then i race against myself, against my PB, the way all runners do it.Now the last part of it is clearly rude isn't it? Well excuuuusee us for liking ourselves the way we are! We don't want to get "running bodies" (well, ok, some of us do lol) but elite athletes had to run their ass off to reach at their elite levels and believe me, they didn't have a runners body. Noone does unless they start running.

Don't take this article into account, i find the way it's written very disrespectful, very rude and very misleading. Running IS for everyone out there, unless you are morbidly obese. In that case, walking, initially, would be reccommended, purely for heart issues.
 
I read the article and agree with the post above also. I do agree to an extent with the building of muscles. Building the supporting muscles to sustain the running movement really does help prevent injury and keep form.

I don't consider myself "a runner" as far as it doesn't come easily to me and its not my primary sport. But I do run a lot and I've done it both with a lifting routine, and without a lifting routine. For me there has been a direct correlation between injury and a lack of lifting. Similarly the injuries have vanished during times of regular strength routines.

However-I have also lifted TOO much before, where it has hindered my running and created inflexibility-in turn creating injuries.

Plyometric exercises are really great for runners.

Anyway, thats a long post to say what I said before...I agree ;)
 
One could also argue that as humans we should be walking/running around in increasing increments starting at an early age, slowly "training" ourselves in this starting in childhood. Running is one of the most basic physical activities that any mammal can engage in, necessary to their evolutionary survival. Of course, being modern Americans, the idea of our children running around all the time has gone from healthy recreational play to a symptom of ADD. For the average adult to start running now is probably a lot harder than it used to be. :p

On the other hand, I can see how no matter what to be "good" at running there is necessary strength training involved. But anyone "can" run in theory. Whether they do it well is another story.
 
I guess I'd have to agree as well. you either are a runner or you're not, but I also think a lot of that has to do with your activities as a child. If you were always running and picked up running as a sport early enough then run all you want even if you don't have a runners body. I def agree with the article in reference to people who have never run a day in their life.
 
Good article.

One thing that always gets my nerve a bit though is when people compare "the very elite professional" as the example. Showing the world record holder "pure runner" as the example defeats the purpose of the example.

It's like saying don't lift weights if you don't want to look like Arnold. Well um,,, what if there are benefits that can be had without the extreme.

How about running for the experience, verses only the results.

There is something to be said for being able to go out the door and travel 10 miles on foot, in the morning breeze, when you are in hawaii on vacation.

p..s..
Figure models, and fitness competitors are beeeeeeeaaaaauuutiful. I know a few and they run. One in partticular says she runs because it makes her feel like a deer! strong, able, independant, and free!

p...s... I run lots, and I am not recoveriung from an injury, and I am not heading into one. As a matter of fact, my last injury was from wrecking a bike. OH no- I just realized-- I may end up super skinny and frail like Armstrong! hahahha couldn't help it.

Cool website too.

FF
 
If running is too much strain on a beginner's legs, why don't they just run less?

You think lifting weights isn't a lot of strain on your legs? Plenty of injuries happen with strength training as well as running. The injuries happened because they pushed their bodies too far beyond their limits, not because they did the exercise.

If running is so stressful on the legs, great, a short run should be a GREAT exercise to build their legs up. Of course if you run farther than your legs are built to carry you, obviously you will hurt yourself.

The fact is that yes, you do put a LOT of pressure on your feet, ankles, and knees by running. But this is what your feet, ankles and knees were designed to withstand. You hear "5 times your body weight" and you think "WOAH! THAT'S LIKE 600LBS!" but really, that's exactly what your feet were designed for. Carrying your weight, and the weight of your activities.

To say "running is bad because it strains your legs" is like saying "juice is bad because it contains calories". While it's true, it doesn't necessarily make it bad, because that's what your body is built for handling in reasonable amounts.

If you're not a runner, 12 miles is excruciatingly painful, you'd have to be completely ignoring how your body feels to run that long. Of course they got hurt. I'm not a runner, and I don't run non-stop for any longer than a mile. I can feel the strain in my legs, and I know what my legs can withstand before they start giving me problems. If running is a straining activity, that strain will help build the muscles required to perform the activity better. This in itself works sort of like strength training, so one way or another, if you're not a runner, running will help you be a better runner as long as you don't try and pretend you're already a good runner.

Common sense, strain is what you want, it's what makes your muscles grow. Too much strain will injure you. Exercising too hard causes too much strain. It doesn't matter if this strain is from lifting weights, or carrying your own body weight, you will still get hurt.

It would be like me taking someone who didn't lift weights and telling them "I want you to lie here and try to bench press 200lbs every single day. Even if you can't lift the bar off the rack, I want you to try as hard as you possibly can to lift it 10 times until you have the upper-body of a professional weightlifter". How long before you think they hurt themselves trying?
 
I really don't know what I think about that. I absolutely love to run, and have always incorporated it into my routine. Even from the beginning. And I've had great results.
 
sorridere said:
What's your take on this article?
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Welp, generally speaking, I agree with her. Most people who run do it for the wrong reasons, and without proper preparation. The vast majority of untrained individuals with average or worse genetics don't have any business doing it until they have years of training under their belts, if at all.

Having said that, if her article was filled with "mad truf"s, I would be completely broken right now, having refused every measure of injury prevention she listed. Every one. :rofl: And yet I am completely uninjured, and a hell of a lot better a runner than I was 3 months ago when I couldn't run 2 blocks. Paradox, or hyperbolic article bent on selling more Biotest products?
 
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Welp, generally speaking, I agree with her. Most people who run do it for the wrong reasons, and without proper preparation. The vast majority of untrained individuals with average or worse genetics don't have any business doing it until they have years of training under their belts, if at all.

Having said that, if her article was filled with "mad truf"s, I would be completely broken right now, having refused every measure of injury prevention she listed. Every one. :rofl: And yet I am completely uninjured, and a hell of a lot better a runner than I was 3 months ago when I couldn't run 2 blocks. Paradox, or hyperbolic article bent on selling more Biotest products?
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Average or worse genetics? Just to go out jogging? How many years of preparation do you need to put on your tracksuit and go out starting with 1min jogging and 2-3 min walking for like 5 to 10 running minutes? Guys honestly...We are talking about someone who thinks that a mile running is the same as 1500 reps of a one-leg plyometric exercise :D:D


It's an extremely hyperbolic article that shouldn't break the spirit of people who want to give running a try. Don't forget that most of the injuries that happen in running are due to overexertion or poor running form. Let's also include poor or no warm up, wrong shoes, and poor recovery. Most of the times people try to do too much too soon, or run while being on extreme, insufficient diets, in an effort to lose weight faster.
 
tonymcclellan said:
Its been said that most people dont know how to run properly. Therefore the risk of injury is higher.
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thats wrong IMO,everyone has there own natural gait,and should run that way,look at paula radcliffe,micheal johnson,and many others,if you try to run a different way than your body intends IMO it can cause more harm than good.

if you want to be good at football "play football" if you want to be good at running "run" building the muscles in your legs through lifting isnt goint to help you run safer,if anything you are going to add more muscle= more weight so can be more detrimental.

injuries through running are mostly repetative/overuse injuries IE doing to much,if someone is overweight and wants to run they should restrict there cals and run,but take it slowly,doing 12 miles isnt good for anyone with less than twelve months running under there belt IMO.

you dont go straight in the gym and lift massive weights,so why go and do massive distances,let your running muscles build themselves by running sensibly.
 
Running is like every other exercise, it needs proper technique to be performed safely. It would suprise a lot of people to know that I was once a skinny cross country runner and I can promise you that well over half the people I see running in the street or on the treadmill at the gym are on course for injuries due to their poor technique

The biggest problem I see is 'bouncing', where people use too much energy in lifting up rather than forward. Not only is it inefficient but they also have problems with their calves and tendons before long.

I'm with Tony, most people have no idea how to run safely and should be instructed in proper form as well as getting correct footwear for their running style before they even think about running futher than the end of their street
 
Typhon said:
The biggest problem I see is 'bouncing', where people use too much energy in lifting up rather than forward. Not only is it inefficient but they also have problems with their calves and tendons before long.

I'm with Tony, most people have no idea how to run safely and should be instructed in proper form as well as getting correct footwear for their running style before they even think about running futher than the end of their street
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This.

Though, on another level, I agree with what buzz is saying. We were tiffling about this earlier in Karky's dc journal, and I really do believe that "ideal" form is not always ideal. Having said that, if you are too dumb to realize that excessive force is wasteful and gonna cause problems... well, once again, you really have no business messing with what you don't understand.

What really disturbs me (and I mentioned this yesterday, I know) is going up to the Olympic track at the uni and watching all the "semi-professionals" with horrid form and knee braces. I mean the street's one thing, but.. gah. Not saying I'm an expert or anything, but to me if things like "arms should not swing side to side instead of forward and back" and "posture should be fully erect for optimal breathing" are not obvious to you, then what the hell are you doing just winging it? Get someone for whom that sort of thing is obvious to teach you.
 
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