Need Help A.S.A.P!
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Whats happening in the next 10 days that all of a sudden it's an emergency?
anything youo lose quickly won't stay off - just take a sensible sane approach to losing weight
anything youo lose quickly won't stay off - just take a sensible sane approach to losing weight
you could always not eat for the next 10 days... and do about 6 hours of cardio a day...
Read around this forum - you are NOT goingto get advice on quick loss unhealthy methods...
Read around this forum - you are NOT goingto get advice on quick loss unhealthy methods...
I suppose cutting off body parts isn't a good option... it might get you the weight loss you need...
Googles PSMF
finds:
Fascinating...
An interview with Lyle McDonald, author of "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook"
Wannabebig: How did you come up with the idea for this new diet?
Lyle M: Well, it's really not a new diet by any stretch. I mentioned the Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) back in my first book on ketogenic diets and the idea has been floating around since the 70's, when it was first developed. I think the major impetus to re-examine it (and make the changes I did) was looking at DiPasquales "Radical Diet" (which is just a PSMF retooled version of the Anabolic Diet) and Dr. Serrano's "Extreme Crash Diet". Both are essentially PSMF types of diets. So, I figured, why not jump on that bandwagon. Also I was a little disapointed that both of the other diets are so heavily supplement-based, when I think such a diet can readily be done around whole foods (I think this is also beneficial from the standpoint of re-teaching better eating habits).
Wannabebig: Who is the diet geared towards?
Lyle M: I made the book as general as possible, giving recommendations and specific changes based on initial body fat percentage and activity levels. Athletes involved in heavy training shouldn't really use such a diet, since they won't be able to sustain training intensity, but beyond that I tried to make it as general as possible.
Wannabebig: How long can you stay on this program?
Lyle M: It actually depends on starting body fat percentage. The leaner that folks are, the less time they should spend on it. So individuals who are 15% body fat or lower shouldn't use it for more than about 10-14 days tops. Fatter individuals may stay on it several weeks to a couple of months straight before needing a full diet break. There are a number of reasons that go into those recommendations one of which is metabolic slowdown. Leaner folks tend to have larger problems with metabolism crashing; there is also the issue that leaner folks are typically more active and staying on such a diet for too long will end up cratering training performance. The fatter people are, or the less active, the longer they can be on the diet. As well, empirically, fatter people don't seem to have as many problems with hunger and such staying on the PSMF for extended periods.
Wannabebig: What would you say is the most difficult part of this program dieters will face?
Lyle M: Probably hunger and the relatively small amount of food. Then again, a lot of people find that hunger goes away probably for the same reasons it occurs on a ketogenic diet. As well, if you're eating mainly whole proteins and the amount of vegetables I recommend, the amount of food you get to eat is decent. Some people also feel low-energy, just like on ketogenic diets.
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Naw - hunger isn't fun... cutting off body parts is easier..
finds:
Fascinating...
An interview with Lyle McDonald, author of "The Rapid Fat Loss Handbook"
Wannabebig: How did you come up with the idea for this new diet?
Lyle M: Well, it's really not a new diet by any stretch. I mentioned the Protein Sparing Modified Fast (PSMF) back in my first book on ketogenic diets and the idea has been floating around since the 70's, when it was first developed. I think the major impetus to re-examine it (and make the changes I did) was looking at DiPasquales "Radical Diet" (which is just a PSMF retooled version of the Anabolic Diet) and Dr. Serrano's "Extreme Crash Diet". Both are essentially PSMF types of diets. So, I figured, why not jump on that bandwagon. Also I was a little disapointed that both of the other diets are so heavily supplement-based, when I think such a diet can readily be done around whole foods (I think this is also beneficial from the standpoint of re-teaching better eating habits).
Wannabebig: Who is the diet geared towards?
Lyle M: I made the book as general as possible, giving recommendations and specific changes based on initial body fat percentage and activity levels. Athletes involved in heavy training shouldn't really use such a diet, since they won't be able to sustain training intensity, but beyond that I tried to make it as general as possible.
Wannabebig: How long can you stay on this program?
Lyle M: It actually depends on starting body fat percentage. The leaner that folks are, the less time they should spend on it. So individuals who are 15% body fat or lower shouldn't use it for more than about 10-14 days tops. Fatter individuals may stay on it several weeks to a couple of months straight before needing a full diet break. There are a number of reasons that go into those recommendations one of which is metabolic slowdown. Leaner folks tend to have larger problems with metabolism crashing; there is also the issue that leaner folks are typically more active and staying on such a diet for too long will end up cratering training performance. The fatter people are, or the less active, the longer they can be on the diet. As well, empirically, fatter people don't seem to have as many problems with hunger and such staying on the PSMF for extended periods.
Wannabebig: What would you say is the most difficult part of this program dieters will face?
Lyle M: Probably hunger and the relatively small amount of food. Then again, a lot of people find that hunger goes away probably for the same reasons it occurs on a ketogenic diet. As well, if you're eating mainly whole proteins and the amount of vegetables I recommend, the amount of food you get to eat is decent. Some people also feel low-energy, just like on ketogenic diets.
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Naw - hunger isn't fun... cutting off body parts is easier..
Yea, Lyle really brought it to the mainstream. Obesity clinics have used it for years.
Straight from his mouth actually:
"I'm finding that people are totally unclear on what a PSMF actuall is based on the questions they are asking. Please read the following. Then read it again and maybe a third time to make sure you are clear on what it is.
The PSMF is an attempt to maximize fat loss while minimizing body protein loss. Basically they looked at starvation first, which generates scads of fat loss but you lose too much body protein. So someone thought "Hey, what if we just provide protein, we can keep calories ass low, maximize fat loss and hopefully minimize body protein loss." Over time they figured out that 1.5 g/kg lean body mass of protein and NOTHING ELSE (ok, you get some veggies and vitamins/minerals) did this. That is what a PSMF is, 1.5 g/kg lean body mass of protein, some veggies, vit/min supplements and NOTHING ELSE. No fat, no carbs (or as minimal as you can make them).
I have modified this further. Protein is adjusted based on level of leanness and activity. Get you fish oils at 6X1 g/day. But that's it."
Straight from his mouth actually:
"I'm finding that people are totally unclear on what a PSMF actuall is based on the questions they are asking. Please read the following. Then read it again and maybe a third time to make sure you are clear on what it is.
The PSMF is an attempt to maximize fat loss while minimizing body protein loss. Basically they looked at starvation first, which generates scads of fat loss but you lose too much body protein. So someone thought "Hey, what if we just provide protein, we can keep calories ass low, maximize fat loss and hopefully minimize body protein loss." Over time they figured out that 1.5 g/kg lean body mass of protein and NOTHING ELSE (ok, you get some veggies and vitamins/minerals) did this. That is what a PSMF is, 1.5 g/kg lean body mass of protein, some veggies, vit/min supplements and NOTHING ELSE. No fat, no carbs (or as minimal as you can make them).
I have modified this further. Protein is adjusted based on level of leanness and activity. Get you fish oils at 6X1 g/day. But that's it."
so is it really a low calorie stage 1 atkins...
Interesting reading... but I'm not changing how i've done things...
Interesting reading... but I'm not changing how i've done things...
so is it really a low calorie stage 1 atkins...
Interesting reading... but I'm not changing how i've done things...
PSMF isn't for anyone and it certainly isn't anything permanent.
I think I'll use it next time I cut to jumpstart things.... but that's more out of curiosity than want.
with a sensible eatig plan and exercise, you will drop a few pounds and not lose any conditioning... you could be 2 -4 lbs lighter than yo are now - maintaining your strength
:: waits for the experiments when they begin::
::stands by with emergency chocolate chip cookies:;
Oh, and I bet you not.
mikitta
New member
Steve - depends on if she's been eating with good nutrition or not.
When I cut out the soda and switched to water, I dropped almost 14 pounds in 2 weeks without a major drop in calories from food. I WAS drinking 4 cans of soda a day ... so that's a big reduction in calories, true, but I was very dehydrated. I know for a fact the majority of loss in that first 2 weeks was water weight.
Of course, every body is different. If she is already well hydrated, then that trick isn't going to work for her. But if her gain has been from eating junk and drinking pop (not saying it is) then she likely has some water retention going on. It all depends on what her nutrition level is right now.
As for Kimkins - well,the Kimmer isn't exactly original, so you are correct. She took a lot of her erstwhile plan from Stillmans and passed it off as a low fat, low cal, low carb Atkins alternative.
God Bless,
mik
When I cut out the soda and switched to water, I dropped almost 14 pounds in 2 weeks without a major drop in calories from food. I WAS drinking 4 cans of soda a day ... so that's a big reduction in calories, true, but I was very dehydrated. I know for a fact the majority of loss in that first 2 weeks was water weight.
Of course, every body is different. If she is already well hydrated, then that trick isn't going to work for her. But if her gain has been from eating junk and drinking pop (not saying it is) then she likely has some water retention going on. It all depends on what her nutrition level is right now.
As for Kimkins - well,the Kimmer isn't exactly original, so you are correct. She took a lot of her erstwhile plan from Stillmans and passed it off as a low fat, low cal, low carb Atkins alternative.
God Bless,
mik