Muscle Soreness Question

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If a day after a workout lets say next morning my muscles aren't sore should I intensify your workout routine cause it feels that I've been getting weaker and I give that muscle 1 day and work on another muscle. Also I tend to Gap between workouts cause if I workout for like 1 or 2 hours I won't work out again to finish up until like 5 hours later and sometimes more and I workout late at night sometimes like 1 Am before I go to bed.
 
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muscle soreness is not an indication of progression.

The only real measure's of progression are whether or not the strength of your lifts are improving (via reps or weight)

Also when did you start lifting weights, unless you're experienced (i.e. can bench over 250lbs) there isn't much need in doing a bodypart split 4-6 days a week.
 
Xptboy said:
Also when did you start lifting weights, unless you're experienced (i.e. can bench over 250lbs) there isn't much need in doing a bodypart split 4-6 days a week.
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Don't know where you got this from. I've been training over 2 years and would still struggle to get 250lbs. Everyone is different.

Many do advise on FBW for beginners, but it's not as though it's a must. Infact there are probably many advance trainee bodybuilders who even struggle to bench 250lbs.

It depends on someone's goal. If it's just hypertrophy, the numbers you can lift are less relevant.
 
The soreness you get 1 day after lifting is called DOMS. DOMS is real common in rookies. As you get more experienced, you get it less often. But, if you work a new muscle group for the first time in a while, you can get it. If you are experienced, the lack of DOMS does not mean that you did not work hard enough.
 
I do 4 sets of tricep extensions per arm 1 set of triangle pushups and 3 sets of regular pushups and I sometimes squeeze more in if I have the time. I give this a one day rest.
 
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BigTomW said:
Don't know where you got this from. I've been training over 2 years and would still struggle to get 250lbs. Everyone is different.

Many do advise on FBW for beginners, but it's not as though it's a must. Infact there are probably many advance trainee bodybuilders who even struggle to bench 250lbs.

It depends on someone's goal. If it's just hypertrophy, the numbers you can lift are less relevant.
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I doubt he is under 150lbs and according to this chart: you are not advanced at benching until you can bench 250lbs (at least if you're 160lbs). Also, 2 years of solid lifting doesn't make you that experienced, simply the beginning stages of an intermediate.

Now I know this isn't the best measure of how experienced one is at weightlifting but for OP it's probably the only decent one we got.

Do you really think someone who adds 50lbs to his bench won't see a difference in body composition? Who do you think will be the more successful bodybuilder: the one who works on strength first whilst getting as big as possible and then focussing on bodybuilding later, or the one who starts off with a split and just wants to get bigger ASAP without first getting as strong as possible? Who do you think will improve faster: the one who has 45gym cycles per year, or the one who has 120 gym cycles per year?

Head over to EliteFTS.com and read some of pro blogs over there. Read the blogs where they bench +300, squat +500 and DL+600. Do those guys do 20 sets per bodypart? do they isolate? no! most of them do two or three exercise per session!

I never told him to do a FBW. I said he should quit working on a single bodyparty per session. He should get a proven routine which focusses on power; hypertrophy will be a nice side effect of his strength gains. There are several good splits which may help, such as an upper/lower, or push/pull/legs, or WS4SB, or a 3 day split. Then there's always the FBW's such as Starting Strength and all the various 5x5's. Ironaddicts also has a bunch of great workouts there which he should take a look at. But for this guy, being on a 5day single bodypart split will only make his gains come at a much slower pace. No need to do any of these until recovery levels have decreased and one's body is no longer a weak link, but a strong unit with only a few weak areas.
 
Xptboy said:
I doubt he is under 150lbs and according to this chart: you are not advanced at benching until you can bench 250lbs (at least if you're 160lbs). Also, 2 years of solid lifting doesn't make you that experienced, simply the beginning stages of an intermediate.
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what chart? and how can a chart tell me if I'm advanced or not?

Poundage lifted has jack **** to do with beginner, intermediate, or advanced.

Whatever this chart is, its pointless. Its trying to label something that really cannot be labeled. Time in the gym, not poundage lifted, is all that matter.

Not everyone out there wants to look like the Hulk, and not everyone strives to lift 250+ lbs.

you need to start getting information from other sources.


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Now back to the original poster, it sounds like your routine needs to be changed. Why are you devoting a training session to triceps? They are tiny muscles. Do you really think they need as much volume (sets & reps) as a larger muscle like the pecs? The answer is: No. Until your body hits a point where you need to train like this (usually several years of training) you're much better off with an upper/lower body split routine, or a push/pull split.

Working one muscle a day is what professional bodybuilders, who use steroids, do to keep their body's growing bigger.
 
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malkore said:
Time in the gym, .
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Nope. That does not do it either. If you spend 10 years doing crap routines you are not advanced. You are merely a beginner when you figure it out.

The chart is not referring to expertise it is referring to advance, intermediate or beginner in regard to pounds lifted.

Advanced, beginned.....it all is individual in regards to the criteria at hand.
 
Is it necessary for me to have a resting day as in no exercises on that day at all cause I just work on my adominals after the day I have worked my Triceps. And also If I work multiple muscles a day can I even recover quickly enough? Yeah and I should've mentioned like 15 posts ago I'm only 15
 
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not to derail this completely.. but someone who starts out benching 200 and goes up to 250 in a couple of months is advanced, while someone who starts at 60 and goes up to 200 over a year or so is less advanced? I'm not saying either of them is advanced, as they haven't been training for long enough. My point is, how much you lift isn't the only factor.. sure, having trained for 10 years doesn't just make you advanced if you've just been standing on a stepping machine for 30 min 3 times a week. But when we talk about training seriously then I think training time has a much bigger impact on who is advanced and who is not.. mostly because someone who is advanced knows how their body responds to training, something you only get with experience.
 
malkore said:
what chart? and how can a chart tell me if I'm advanced or not?

Poundage lifted has jack **** to do with beginner, intermediate, or advanced.

Whatever this chart is, its pointless. Its trying to label something that really cannot be labeled. Time in the gym, not poundage lifted, is all that matter.

Not everyone out there wants to look like the Hulk, and not everyone strives to lift 250+ lbs.

you need to start getting information from other sources.


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Now back to the original poster, it sounds like your routine needs to be changed. Why are you devoting a training session to triceps? They are tiny muscles. Do you really think they need as much volume (sets & reps) as a larger muscle like the pecs? The answer is: No. Until your body hits a point where you need to train like this (usually several years of training) you're much better off with an upper/lower body split routine, or a push/pull split.

Working one muscle a day is what professional bodybuilders, who use steroids, do to keep their body's growing bigger.
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Lets say I go with Pull/Push split routines would it be Pull,Push,Pull,Push or
Pull, Rest, Push, Rest?
 
Can you recommend some exercises for Triceps and Shoulders for Push? and Pull for Ab?
edit:yea I double posted can a admin add the first line to my previous post
 
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Just to add...

Novice, Intermediate, Advanced, and Elite are stages some people use to define where they are at in their training career.

Mark Rippetoe defines each one (in strength training terms) basically as:

Novice: Making gains every session

Intermediate: Gains on a weekly Basis

Advanced: Gains on a monthly/annual basis (competetive lifters)

Elite: Gains on a monthly/annual basis (Where genes seperate the good from the best)

With each stage needing diet re-evaluations and more complex training.

But thats Rippetoe, i think this would be totally irrelevant for people with other goals.
 
TricepsAlways said:
Why is there no rest in between Push and Pull don't my muscles need to recover before I workout again?
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You use different muscles to push with than you do to pull.


Men's Health Power Training. Great book with lifts seperated into push vs pull.
Also New Rules of Lifting is good.
 
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