Muscle milk
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I've had a muscle milk before and i thought that it tasted nasty.
i've personally never tried it, because my goal is cutting, and its got quite a few calories per serving. its 350 calories per shake (2 scoops) but its also got 40% of your DV of saturated fats..in ONE SHAKE. That to me sounds like a cheap product. And its rather expensive. We are talking about twice as much as an equivilant sized ON 100% whey bucket.
that will give you the stats
that will give you the stats
I dislike it as well, too high in fats and the only time I recommend drinking a shake over whole food is pre and post workout. If you are drinking your shakes pre and post workout, you do not want fat in the shake.
I recommned AST's VP2 whey or Optimum Nutrition's whey.
Muscle Milk is just another fad that is heavily pushed in the industry.
I recommned AST's VP2 whey or Optimum Nutrition's whey.
Muscle Milk is just another fad that is heavily pushed in the industry.
Im one of the biggest critics of supplements, but you people need to read and educate yourselves before you start throwing bad advice all over the place.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mct.html
http://goodfats.pamrotella.com/
Fat is not necessarily bad. The fat in Muscle Milk is mostly medium chain triglycerides and long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. The only thing I really dislike about Muscle Milk and Cytosport products in general is that they contain the artificial sweetener Ace K, but it's hard to find any protein shake that doesn't nowadays. It's not a fad, it's just another protein alternative.
http://www.bodybuilding.com/store/mct.html
http://goodfats.pamrotella.com/
Fat is not necessarily bad. The fat in Muscle Milk is mostly medium chain triglycerides and long chain polyunsaturated fatty acids. The only thing I really dislike about Muscle Milk and Cytosport products in general is that they contain the artificial sweetener Ace K, but it's hard to find any protein shake that doesn't nowadays. It's not a fad, it's just another protein alternative.
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NHB said:
research on good fats and bad fats really has nothing to do with the fact that it has 18g of fat PER SERVING. good fat or bad fat, thats a lot for just a PWO drink.
That's because it's not a post workout drink (of course they are going to say you can take it anytime you want on the label, then you'll use it more and buy more). It's a pre-bedtime drink. If you want optimal recovery, your post workout drink should usually have a ratio of 4 to 1 or 3 to 1 carbs to protein to speed muscle glycogen replenishment. Drinking a protein shake after workout has been proven to be less effective than drinking a carb shake. Drinking a carb shake has been proven less effective than drinking a protein and carb shake with the correct ratio. Read anything by John Berardi if you want more detail http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/berardi.htm. And actually, it really does matter what kind of fat it is. Stop misinforming people that are coming here for advice.junkfoodbad said:
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NHB said:
I'm not denying the importance of kinds of fats at all. I'm well aware of the benefits and sources of EFA's. I'm just saying, for a PWO drink this is a bad choice.
And I also agree that some Sat fats arent bad. But the amount of Sat Fats in one shake of Muscle Milk is 8g. To me thats too high for a shake.
You can link me research to good fats till your blue in the face. IMO 8g of saturated fats for a single shake is too much.
NHB said:
Chill bro! You should watch yourself with your blanket accusations you make towards everyone who has posted thus far on this thread. You are new around here and that is no way to make friends. I do beleive you were talking about my post since you brought up the "fad" issue. First, if you don't think Muscle Milk is a fad supplement on the market today you are straight up RETARDED! It is one of the most heavily advertised supplements on the shelves today.
Secondly, don't talk down to the people on this forum just because you "THINK" you know more then everyone who has posted so far. And if you don't think this, then don't act it next time!! Def. don't tell me that I need to read and educate myself!
I am FULLY aware of all the ingredients and properties of Muscle Milk. I felt no need to get into the chemical compositions of the fats in the product. I think the majority of people understand the difference between good and bad fats, and they also realize the benefits of good fats, so you are not making any ground breaking cases here with your post.
In general, most people don't need to increase their fat intake on top of their general nutrition regiment by the amounts that muscle milk has in it. With fats being the most calorie dense nutrient, good or bad fats, most would tend to over eat their calories if they increased it by this much, and that is one of the reasons I do not recommend Muscle Milk. Just because the fats in Muscle Milk are good, does not mean you can't eat too much, which I am sure you know. I bet you that 9 out of 10 individuals that buy muscle milk today don't reduce fats from the rest of their normal nutrition to compensate for the increase with muscle milk when they start taking it. I also bet you that many of these same people are taking more then one shake per day, so this adds up.
Now if you do not have good nutrition, or you don't have time to eat natural meals throughout the day....yes, muscle milk would be a decsent supplement. That being said though, I think most people should stick with a pre and post workout shake ONLY and get the rest of their nutritients from whole food. Muscle milk would not be the ideal source of protein for this pre and post workout shake. I would rather recommend something that is carbohydrate dense as well as a protein only supplement. This is the core of what my post was coming from.
This is my last post about this. I'm sick of reitterating myself:junkfoodbad said:
1)Most of the sat fats are MCT's, which are good for you.
2)You shouldn't be drinking simply a protein shake for post workout nutrition in the first place.
It's not my problem if you can't understand this.
NHB said:
well my intention was not to argue but i suppose that's the way you want it. If you actually READ the article you posted you would realize an important statement in there that i would like to point out.
From scanning the literature, it is clear that medium chain triglycerides are effective only under specific circumstances. Much of the literature has demonstrated that, in many cases, medium chain triglycerides have proven ineffective at eliciting weight loss, or enhancing athletic performance.
this evidence hardly denotes that they are "good" fats. In some cases they may PROVE to be, but to make a blanket statement that they are are good is IMO a very assumptive statement.
As to your #2. You are just reiterating my point that IT ISNT A GOOD PWO DRINK. which was the point i was trying to make in the first place. There is no arguement...we both agree that it isnt a good PWO drink...So whats your beef man?
There is no need to be condescending to anyone.
Oh yea, bad me for giving you a balanced article. Read the whole thing, not just the two sentences that you like.
Sorry, I didn't see this post.
I really was just trying to help and didn't mean to be an ass, but's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Just shut up.
Sorry, I didn't see this post.
I don't really care about making friends on the internet, sorry to dissapoint you. I'll make all the blanket accusations I want as long as they are deserved- everyone in this thread has offered false information.stroutman81 said:
First off, if you think that the optimal time to intake a protein laden supplement is pre or post workout, you are the one that is retarded. Second off, my vision is fine - the only thing that typing in capitals does for you is make you look like a dumbass. Third, it's a relatively new protein shake that - according to most people - tastes a lot better than anything else, thus people buy it, thus it is advertised at your local supplement stores. Protein has been around for a while now. It's been thoroughly tested. It's not a fad, this is just another protein shake.
If you are offering false information, you need to read and correct your thinking, not spread it to other people. I simply said people need to stop giving bad adive. You're the one that called me retarded and started "talking down". Way to be a hypocrite there champ.
Don't tell me you know all this when you simply look at the product, see how many grams of fat it has and basically go "omgz fat is bad!!!!".
Since you refuse to read anything ulness someone shoves it up your ass, here you go: the sat fat in muscle milkl are made up of MCT's. MCT's aren't stored in the body's fat cells, they're used by muscles for fuel. Research shows that consumption of MCTs can boost metabolism and lipolysis. MCT supplementation can enhances protein utilization by the body and benefit the immune system as well. Unless your diet is already sufficient in good saturated fats (which most people's aren't), it's not too much for you. If you are on a healthy diet, the fat intake from muscle milk should not be a problem. If you are eating so much fat anyway, you probably don't care about eating more fat, and you probably aren't even taking a protein supplement in the first place.
Excepting professional bodybuilders, that really isn't necessary for anybody to do, unless you wan't expensive piss.
I already stated that Muscle Milk should be taken before bed, not pre or post workout - the only one saying to take protein only pre and post workout is you - Good job. Many people have a problem intaking at least .6-1g protein per lb. of body weight. They are not going to get it from foods. Most people prefer a protein shake than eating a few cans of tuna every day, on top of their regular meals.
I really was just trying to help and didn't mean to be an ass, but's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Just shut up.
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Sorry, I didn't see this post.
I don't really care about making friends on the Internet, sorry to disappoint you. I'll make all the blanket accusations I want as long as they are deserved- everyone in this thread has offered false information.
Listen jackass. I never said fats are bad. I have a degree in dietetics, and promise you I don't need the education from some low life who gets his rocks off by talking smack on the Internet. To accuse people of being ignorant on a subject matter before knowing a thing about them is talking smack in my opinion, which I am sure you have no respect for anyways, which I could care less about. This is a very friendly and open community, so maybe you ventured into the wrong place. You sound educated yourself, which is commendable. Presenting your advice and "help" in the manner you have here though, is not.
First off, if you think that the optimal time to intake a protein laden supplement is pre or post workout, you are the one that is retarded. Second off, my vision is fine - the only thing that typing in capitals does for you is make you look like a dumbass. Third, it's a relatively new protein shake that - according to most people - tastes a lot better than anything else, thus people buy it, thus it is advertised at your local supplement stores. Protein has been around for a while now. It's been thoroughly tested. It's not a fad, this is just another protein shake.
The optimal time for protein is every few hours. There is no need for supplementation when this can be derived from whole natural foods. I really don't want to hear the **** about not having enough time to eat properly. I have a schedule that is just as busy as anyones and am able to derive my needed nutrients from whole food. Yes, the most ideal time to use a protein supplement is pre and post workout, and no, I am not the retard. Please clarify for me when you think the optimal time for protein supplementation is? If you honestly assumed that I did not know "protein" has been "around for a while" then you are ridiculously ignorant. I said Muscle Milk is a fad product, not protein supplementation.
If you are offering false information, you need to read and correct your thinking, not spread it to other people. I simply said people need to stop giving bad adive. You're the one that called me retarded and started "talking down". Way to be a hypocrite there champ.
Don't call me champ, champ. What false information am I offering? I stand by my "retard" comment based on this entire reply as well as your inability to talk to the members of this forum with any respect.
Don't tell me you know all this when you simply look at the product, see how many grams of fat it has and basically go "omgz fat is bad!!!!".
This statement could not be further from the truth. You obviously know nothing about me if you think I would promote fat as being "bad." Again, don't make ludicrous assumptions that are meant to make posters look bad when in reality you are only damaging your own image by being so far off base.
Since you refuse to read anything ulness someone shoves it up your ass, here you go: the sat fat in muscle milkl are made up of MCT's. MCT's aren't stored in the body's fat cells, they're used by muscles for fuel. Research shows that consumption of MCTs can boost metabolism and lipolysis. MCT supplementation can enhances protein utilization by the body and benefit the immune system as well. Unless your diet is already sufficient in good saturated fats (which most people's aren't), it's not too much for you. If you are on a healthy diet, the fat intake from muscle milk should not be a problem. If you are eating so much fat anyway, you probably don't care about eating more fat, and you probably aren't even taking a protein supplement in the first place.
This is again so freaking stupid.....you make the craziest assumptions I have ever heard. You assume I think fat is bad. You assume I am not educated on fats. I have studied Udo Erasmus for many years now as well as obtained a degree on the subject matter. Get real! You assume I look at the nutrient panel of a product and base my recommendations on a broad category of "fat." I can't believe I am even spending my time to reply to you. I will say this one last time.....in my opinion, it is best to take protein supplements pre and post workout. During this time, it is best to take a simple carbohydrate and an easily digestible protein such as hydrolyzed whey. Do you know who John Berardi is?????? If not, you should probably connect up with his website and/or published pieces and learn a thing or two about pre and post workout nutrition. I know the benefits of MCTs in the general diet, and again, why in God's green Earth are you trying to educate me about good fats???? YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE BLIND SO I WILL CAPITALIZE MY LETTERS, I NEVER SAID FATS ARE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excepting professional bodybuilders, that really isn't necessary for anybody to do, unless you wan't expensive piss.
I never said it was moron.
I already stated that Muscle Milk should be taken before bed, not pre or post workout - the only one saying to take protein only pre and post workout is you - Good job. Many people have a problem intaking at least .6-1g protein per lb. of body weight. They are not going to get it from foods. Most people prefer a protein shake than eating a few cans of tuna every day, on top of their regular meals.
I prefer to show them ways of adapting to whole food diets which are cheaper and more effective opposed to opting for a protein supplement any other time of the day other then pre and post workout. Learn to see both sides of a debate, not just your own.
I really was just trying to help and didn't mean to be an ass, but's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Just shut up.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, yea, good one. I have read your other posts thus far on this forum and you do nothing but torment and make rude remarks. It is sad too, because I can tell you know your stuff. I am done communicating with you, if you want to reply fine, but this is an utter waist of time and I regret replying to you in the first place. You are the reason why the fitness and nutrition industry is so f'ed up. You think it is a competition to see who knows more about what. Don't say you don't either. You just had to spill your lecture about the chemistry and nutritional values of fat, assuming you were "teaching" us something we did not already know. I am sorry to the forum that I have gone this far with this post.
I don't really care about making friends on the Internet, sorry to disappoint you. I'll make all the blanket accusations I want as long as they are deserved- everyone in this thread has offered false information.
Listen jackass. I never said fats are bad. I have a degree in dietetics, and promise you I don't need the education from some low life who gets his rocks off by talking smack on the Internet. To accuse people of being ignorant on a subject matter before knowing a thing about them is talking smack in my opinion, which I am sure you have no respect for anyways, which I could care less about. This is a very friendly and open community, so maybe you ventured into the wrong place. You sound educated yourself, which is commendable. Presenting your advice and "help" in the manner you have here though, is not.
First off, if you think that the optimal time to intake a protein laden supplement is pre or post workout, you are the one that is retarded. Second off, my vision is fine - the only thing that typing in capitals does for you is make you look like a dumbass. Third, it's a relatively new protein shake that - according to most people - tastes a lot better than anything else, thus people buy it, thus it is advertised at your local supplement stores. Protein has been around for a while now. It's been thoroughly tested. It's not a fad, this is just another protein shake.
The optimal time for protein is every few hours. There is no need for supplementation when this can be derived from whole natural foods. I really don't want to hear the **** about not having enough time to eat properly. I have a schedule that is just as busy as anyones and am able to derive my needed nutrients from whole food. Yes, the most ideal time to use a protein supplement is pre and post workout, and no, I am not the retard. Please clarify for me when you think the optimal time for protein supplementation is? If you honestly assumed that I did not know "protein" has been "around for a while" then you are ridiculously ignorant. I said Muscle Milk is a fad product, not protein supplementation.
If you are offering false information, you need to read and correct your thinking, not spread it to other people. I simply said people need to stop giving bad adive. You're the one that called me retarded and started "talking down". Way to be a hypocrite there champ.
Don't call me champ, champ. What false information am I offering? I stand by my "retard" comment based on this entire reply as well as your inability to talk to the members of this forum with any respect.
Don't tell me you know all this when you simply look at the product, see how many grams of fat it has and basically go "omgz fat is bad!!!!".
This statement could not be further from the truth. You obviously know nothing about me if you think I would promote fat as being "bad." Again, don't make ludicrous assumptions that are meant to make posters look bad when in reality you are only damaging your own image by being so far off base.
Since you refuse to read anything ulness someone shoves it up your ass, here you go: the sat fat in muscle milkl are made up of MCT's. MCT's aren't stored in the body's fat cells, they're used by muscles for fuel. Research shows that consumption of MCTs can boost metabolism and lipolysis. MCT supplementation can enhances protein utilization by the body and benefit the immune system as well. Unless your diet is already sufficient in good saturated fats (which most people's aren't), it's not too much for you. If you are on a healthy diet, the fat intake from muscle milk should not be a problem. If you are eating so much fat anyway, you probably don't care about eating more fat, and you probably aren't even taking a protein supplement in the first place.
This is again so freaking stupid.....you make the craziest assumptions I have ever heard. You assume I think fat is bad. You assume I am not educated on fats. I have studied Udo Erasmus for many years now as well as obtained a degree on the subject matter. Get real! You assume I look at the nutrient panel of a product and base my recommendations on a broad category of "fat." I can't believe I am even spending my time to reply to you. I will say this one last time.....in my opinion, it is best to take protein supplements pre and post workout. During this time, it is best to take a simple carbohydrate and an easily digestible protein such as hydrolyzed whey. Do you know who John Berardi is?????? If not, you should probably connect up with his website and/or published pieces and learn a thing or two about pre and post workout nutrition. I know the benefits of MCTs in the general diet, and again, why in God's green Earth are you trying to educate me about good fats???? YOU OBVIOUSLY ARE BLIND SO I WILL CAPITALIZE MY LETTERS, I NEVER SAID FATS ARE BAD!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Excepting professional bodybuilders, that really isn't necessary for anybody to do, unless you wan't expensive piss.
I never said it was moron.
I already stated that Muscle Milk should be taken before bed, not pre or post workout - the only one saying to take protein only pre and post workout is you - Good job. Many people have a problem intaking at least .6-1g protein per lb. of body weight. They are not going to get it from foods. Most people prefer a protein shake than eating a few cans of tuna every day, on top of their regular meals.
I prefer to show them ways of adapting to whole food diets which are cheaper and more effective opposed to opting for a protein supplement any other time of the day other then pre and post workout. Learn to see both sides of a debate, not just your own.
I really was just trying to help and didn't mean to be an ass, but's obvious you don't know what you're talking about. Just shut up.[/QUOTE]
Ummm, yea, good one. I have read your other posts thus far on this forum and you do nothing but torment and make rude remarks. It is sad too, because I can tell you know your stuff. I am done communicating with you, if you want to reply fine, but this is an utter waist of time and I regret replying to you in the first place. You are the reason why the fitness and nutrition industry is so f'ed up. You think it is a competition to see who knows more about what. Don't say you don't either. You just had to spill your lecture about the chemistry and nutritional values of fat, assuming you were "teaching" us something we did not already know. I am sorry to the forum that I have gone this far with this post.
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Listen, sweetheart, the world doesn't revolve around you. My initial post was not directed only at you. There were at least two people that said the specific reason that they would not take Muscle Milk is because of the fat content. Pull your head out of your ass and you will see other people around here, not just your own crap.stroutman81 said:
And my foot seems to be on a 40 degree incline up your ass. Thanks for letting me know that though, I'll disregard everything written by people with Ph.D's that contradict what you've been saying. I mean, you have a degree in dietetics after all.stroutman81 said:
Despite your high and mighty education and my lowly street bum status, at least I can comprehend English. Look at this drivel lil strouty spouts out next:
So...I have no respect for talking smack...stroutman81 said:
So, you can care less that I have no respect for talking smack...right.stroutman81 said:
Hey, pal, I simply said that people didn't know what they were talking about saying that they wouldnt take a shake because of its fat content, that's it. You decided to come in here and call me a retard. Don't get your panties in a knot because I called you one back.
Omgz u called me a retard again! Seriously, get some new insults - you're getting boring. Anyway, good for you that you dont need protein supplementation. Unfortunately for your argument, protein supplements are a convenient way for many people to get high quality protein into their bodies. If you're opinion was simply to eat whole foods, then you should have simply said that. However, you continue to argue that post/pre workout is when protein shake should be taken - and since muscle milk has fat, its a bad product to take - because its bad to have fat pre/post workout, i guess - a little hard to filter the point of your posts out of the idiocy that surrounds them. Despite fat content, MM consists of casein protein which is digested slowly over the course of 2-7 hours - the optimal time to take any shake consiting of casein protein is before you go to bed. You're saying that MM is bad because it's not good PWO? Yeah, duh, thanks. That's not when you should be taking anyway.
Oh, snap. I called you champ so you called me champ back..dude, you win.
Well to start, almost your entire first post of this thread. The only time you would recommend a protein shake is pre/post workout? You don't want fat pre workout? That's horse****. MM is a bad protein supplement b/c of its fat content? Horse****.
That makes sense. You're basing my intelligence on how I react to being insulted, not what I'm actually saying about the topic at hand.
The only thing getting damaged here is your asshole everytime you pull garbage like this out of it. Go read the first page. It's full of people, including you, saying how they dont like MM because of its fat content.
Are you done repeating yourself? Because it gets tiresome to read and respond to the same things over and over again.You say how MM is bad because of the fat content, then when I say the fats are good you act like a 2 year old that just **** his diaper. Don't even talk to me about reading Berardi - if you read what he's written on post workout nutrition you would know that he does not agree with you. By the way, I know when people type in all caps it helps you, but Im not the mentally deficient one - normal type is fine for me.
You said that MM is bad because if you had servings of it multiple times a day, the fat would add up. Then I said you shouldnt be taking it that much anyway. Then you agreed with me. So what's your point here pal? You're like a demented dog chasing its own tail.
Great, then dont say MM sucks and offer other protein supplements instead.
Sorry, bud. You're the one that decided to try and prance around here with your e-dick hanging out. To go on about how the only time you would recommend protein supplementation is pre/post workout just displays your misunderstanding of this topic. Any pre/post workout drink should consist of high carbohydrate content, along with a little protein and if you want added vitamins and minerals, bcaa, MCT's, creatine. Im sorry if I bored everyone by telling them about fats, they just confused me by the reaction of "omg look at all the saturated fat omg so bad 4 u!!".
You know all your points are weak and you get shut down at every angle. Bye bye now, don't forget to take your dunce hat with you.
Aw shucks, hes banned...didnt see that coming 
how do you tell
it said it under his name, but it doesnt anymore. maybe he got unbanned.