Multivitamin
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dailowvic said:
I am not all that happy with the one I take and need to find a better one myself. My options are limited where I live and I haven't yet researched on the web like I would like to so I do not have a good recommendation.
However, the vitamin needs to be able to disolve in water (in about 10 minutes) to properly break down and distribute in your system with any amount of effectiveness. This usually means a silica (sand) base in the vitamin (found on the ingredients list) will NOT be a good choice.
-No soy. -Screws up hormones for guys.
You also want to make sure there are NO HERBS, and NO MANMADE radioactive elements. -You can cross reference a periodic table for that info.
All you want is an easily disolvable multivitamin configuration, but that may be very difficult to find. I am having a difficult time too.
Sorry I couldn't do much for a solution, but I hope this helps in the hunt.
evolution said:
I totally disagree. Vitamins are not medicine, yet the first two act as medicines and thin your blood:
Life Force has medicinal herbs in it such as Ginko which thin blood--terrible.
Vitamins should not contain medicine.
It also carries this:
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Super Earth formula is worse, it has MORE blood thinners in it:
Ginko, Ginsing, and garlic all thin blood. Silica is sand.
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Enzymatic Therapy's Fatigued to Fantastic LIES to you.
So, it says it contains soy. -And then says it doesn't. Soy should NOT be taken by males, it changes your hormones.
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I guess, over all, we need to purchase what we can get, but when you have a choice of either something or nothing, and your something is 3 choices: 2 that mix medicines in and 1 that lies to you and wants to play with your hormones, I would rather use nothing.
Eat healthy, and keep looking. If you have to, buy several incomplete but healthy vitamins and take the needed dose of each per day to get the full blend.
That is my opinion, but I am sure others will differ.
You're going to pick apart a good multi because it has ginko in it? Ginko also has great benefits and you're totally glancing over that fact. Also, the Life Force multi has a womens formula. Keep in mind that no vitamin is going to be 100% perfect because our biochemistry is different and unless you're going to pay for analysis and have a company make a vitamin for you, then you get what's out there. Yes, Life Force has herbs and it also includes stuff like CoQ10, turmeric, MSM, etc that have exceptional benefits for an individual.
I mean if you're nitpicking then you shouldn't get a vitamin with ascorbic acid (vitamin C) because it's processed from high fructose corn syrup. And yes...garlic has blood thinning properties to it but we've seen over and over the cardiovascular benefits of taking/eating garlic.
Anyway, I think at this point people should be aware of what they're putting in their body. If you're taking medications, you should be making your doctor aware of supplements you're taking. That's why there are precautionary warnings on the bottles.
As far as Fatigued to Fantastic...this is what it says it does not contain on the box"Contains No: yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, artificial flavoring and preservatives. This product contains natural ingredients; color variations are normal." I'm not sure why the site says it doesn't contain it.
I mean if you're nitpicking then you shouldn't get a vitamin with ascorbic acid (vitamin C) because it's processed from high fructose corn syrup. And yes...garlic has blood thinning properties to it but we've seen over and over the cardiovascular benefits of taking/eating garlic.
Anyway, I think at this point people should be aware of what they're putting in their body. If you're taking medications, you should be making your doctor aware of supplements you're taking. That's why there are precautionary warnings on the bottles.
As far as Fatigued to Fantastic...this is what it says it does not contain on the box"Contains No: yeast, wheat, gluten, corn, artificial flavoring and preservatives. This product contains natural ingredients; color variations are normal." I'm not sure why the site says it doesn't contain it.
evolution said:
So does a handful of other chemical blood thinners.
Do you take those?
I find it unreal that you justify taking it because it has benefits. There are health benefits to a lot of medications, but that doesn't mean everyone is better off taking a handful a day "just because they help SOME people".
1. Yes, there ARE vitamins which ARE 100% perfect. You apparently have not found them. You can get gelcaps with individual vitamin dosages and take them by the handful to get the full spectrum. Others, like the one I currently take, (but do not like because it contains nettle (which has no side effects by the way)), HAS NOTHING HARMFUL IN IT.
2. Biochemistry IS NOT DIFFERENT.
-I expect heat for this, but look:
We all have the same DNA. We all need the same vitamins and minerals to function. We all need the same sun, food, and water to function right. The only question is --what have we done to ourselves to SABOTAGE some of those things. Some people need medicines, some need more vitamins.
Saying that we cannot know what we need is a cop-out. -Plain and simple.
If you do not eat right, FIX IT.
If you do not rest right, FIX IT.
If you do not exercise right, FIX IT.
If you THEN do not have the right vitamin mix, get the purest thing, and try an "average dose".
If you then NEED MORE because of health issues, TAKE MORE. There is no rule against upping what you need. -Upping what you WANT is the dumb part.
Just because someone wants to ignore the responsibility they have to take care of themselves, doesn't mean ignorance should be protocol.
I gave you the label for the VITAMIN which claims it has herbs. -They have no business in a vitamin.
Your analogy is not even close. A vitamin derived from anything is still a vitamin. Nobody said the source was a granule of corn syrup. -Just that it was extracted from it. An acid is simply an acid.
Yup. You still evade the health risk. If you claim an herb to be healthy and promote it, you are irresponsible to ignore the risk and not claim it. Again, bleeding to death DOES happen. Have your mother, female friend, or daughter take blood thinners while working out and have them tell you how they feel 1 week out of the month. This is hazzardous.
In addition, you would have to EAT 14 cloves of garlic to get the amount in ONE SINGLE DOSE OF THIS STUFF. -How many do YOU eat?
People SHOULD be aware, but this forum is proof they aren't. -You don't even know the risks of what I am talking about. -Or don't care.
How many people do YOU know tell their doctors what they use for vitamins?
Have you ever talked to a doctor about herbs? They tend to SHUN THEM.
I have fought that battle for 6 years. -And I have purchased MANY books that are used to train doctors. I have purchased many books on herbs. I have purchased many books on the body.
-And I have yet to meet 1 SINGLE PERSON who has ever taken any interest in any such thing( if they do not work out seriously) other than 1 book on which vitamin fights a specific disease or which diet works best.
-And WARNINGS ON BOTTLES?
We could be here forever if we get onto that one. Shall we talk about the inhaler for fighting flu whose side effects is killing kids and elderly?
Shall we discuss immunizations?
Shall we discuss a doctor's function in ignoring such labels to promote perscriptions for kick backs?
The reality is that we all need to learn for ourselves. -NEVER trust anyone with less data about you than YOU have. For you to promote these vitamins is doing exaclty that: Playing doctor for the masses when you do not know their condition.
Well, then that is worse. It DOES contain soy, then, which is harmful to men.
I think you misunderstood what I typed or perhaps I was not clear enough. In no way am I endorsing a vitamin over proper nutrition. I also said that you won't know what amounts of X vitamin and/or mineral you need unless you had an analysis done because this is true-what I am deficient in in my body is not what you are deficient in or what you vs me need to take in higher dosages. Perhaps this is not the best example but pregnant women need higher dosages of folic acid than men. And again, to put you and I compared to each other...what your body needs is different than mine.
No, I don't take any of the blood thinners you listed outside of the multi other than garlic. I take my garlic from kyolic brand.
We were talking about good quality multivitamins. I hear so many people taking these megaman and Walmart stuff. I was glancing through the book they published this year that tested 1000 multivitamins. Sadly, the absorbability rate on most vitamins even in the book was under 40%. Why waste your money if the body can't even absorb and use what's listed? And no...just because it breaks down in water does not assure that you absorbing everything.
I'm not an advocate of the doctor many times. Don't mistake me for saying that this multi is good as the same as go take that prescription, it's helped some people. I haven't been to the doctor aside from an annual check up in 3 years; I have used herbs and homeopathic remedies to keep myself well or to combat any illnesses. Doctors' get kickbacks from precribing...yes, I know this. They also think that antibiotics are the end-all-be-all and they are horrible on the body. So, please don't group with the masses that are prescription loving individuals. If the doctors had us well...they would be out of a job.
What you're suggesting is unreasonable. The suggestion to just take a bunch of individual vitamins is not cost effective and you'd be shoving thousands of pills down your throat (a slight exaggeration but you get my point).
1.Fine, you tell me which vitamins are 100% perfect. We'll order them into the store.
2.You are right about we have the same DNA and we need sun, etc etc. I made the point that what my body needs is not the same as what your body needs. Out of all the vitamins and minerals, are you 100% sure that you are 100% non-deficient in every single one?
I don't have much more time to address your other points as I have to go throw and get myself fed. But I will be back.
No, I don't take any of the blood thinners you listed outside of the multi other than garlic. I take my garlic from kyolic brand.
We were talking about good quality multivitamins. I hear so many people taking these megaman and Walmart stuff. I was glancing through the book they published this year that tested 1000 multivitamins. Sadly, the absorbability rate on most vitamins even in the book was under 40%. Why waste your money if the body can't even absorb and use what's listed? And no...just because it breaks down in water does not assure that you absorbing everything.
I'm not an advocate of the doctor many times. Don't mistake me for saying that this multi is good as the same as go take that prescription, it's helped some people. I haven't been to the doctor aside from an annual check up in 3 years; I have used herbs and homeopathic remedies to keep myself well or to combat any illnesses. Doctors' get kickbacks from precribing...yes, I know this. They also think that antibiotics are the end-all-be-all and they are horrible on the body. So, please don't group with the masses that are prescription loving individuals. If the doctors had us well...they would be out of a job.
What you're suggesting is unreasonable. The suggestion to just take a bunch of individual vitamins is not cost effective and you'd be shoving thousands of pills down your throat (a slight exaggeration but you get my point).
1.Fine, you tell me which vitamins are 100% perfect. We'll order them into the store.
2.You are right about we have the same DNA and we need sun, etc etc. I made the point that what my body needs is not the same as what your body needs. Out of all the vitamins and minerals, are you 100% sure that you are 100% non-deficient in every single one?
I don't have much more time to address your other points as I have to go throw and get myself fed. But I will be back.
Hawk, I thought I'd address a few more of your points before I run off to teach class.
I'm not sure where you got that 10mg of garlic is equal to 14 cloves. 10mg would be about the equivalent of a piece of garlic. They get this by taking garlic and crushing it up into a powder. And the amount of ginko and ginseng in there is very little. You have to take the amount in there. In the herb world, when these are included into a vitamin, they're known as movers and help with the absorbability of the vitamin. Again back to garlic...IF a woman had high blood pressure and was doing 10 times teh amount listed on the product then we might possibly have a problem. And it is up to the consumer to know what medications they are taking and to be knowledgable on what they are supplementing with. If a person gets X product and has X conditions and is taking X medication and doesn't seek advice/consultation where does the fault lie? We get people in the store all the time that want us to play doctor and we refuse...we also don't make suggestions according to their medications and we urge them to consult a physician.
Those...most vitamins have a womans formula, childrens formula, no iron, with iron, no this, with that...different formulas for different needs.
My vitamin C was just to illustrate a point. The ascorbic acid you see in vitamins is not real vitamin C. It is high fructose corn syrup bonded with steric acid to come up with ascorbic acid. This is not vitamin C and so when you take X percentage of vitamin C, you're not really getting what you think you're getting as far as what the body needs.
I don't eat cloves of garlic because I don't overly care for the taste. But since supplement with garlic my high BP has gone down.
And let's not get started on immunizations. A couple years back we had a flu epidemic and even though we didn't have the right flu shot for the strain of flu virus, people took it anyway. Oregano oil would have killed the flu.
Saying I'm playing doctor by suggesting a vitamin is absurd. I'm going to assume that when people get sick, you make no suggestion that they should take vitamin C or anything like that? That if they have inflammation or a headache that X product works well or worked well for you.
I'm not sure where you got that 10mg of garlic is equal to 14 cloves. 10mg would be about the equivalent of a piece of garlic. They get this by taking garlic and crushing it up into a powder. And the amount of ginko and ginseng in there is very little. You have to take the amount in there. In the herb world, when these are included into a vitamin, they're known as movers and help with the absorbability of the vitamin. Again back to garlic...IF a woman had high blood pressure and was doing 10 times teh amount listed on the product then we might possibly have a problem. And it is up to the consumer to know what medications they are taking and to be knowledgable on what they are supplementing with. If a person gets X product and has X conditions and is taking X medication and doesn't seek advice/consultation where does the fault lie? We get people in the store all the time that want us to play doctor and we refuse...we also don't make suggestions according to their medications and we urge them to consult a physician.
Those...most vitamins have a womans formula, childrens formula, no iron, with iron, no this, with that...different formulas for different needs.
My vitamin C was just to illustrate a point. The ascorbic acid you see in vitamins is not real vitamin C. It is high fructose corn syrup bonded with steric acid to come up with ascorbic acid. This is not vitamin C and so when you take X percentage of vitamin C, you're not really getting what you think you're getting as far as what the body needs.
I don't eat cloves of garlic because I don't overly care for the taste. But since supplement with garlic my high BP has gone down.
And let's not get started on immunizations. A couple years back we had a flu epidemic and even though we didn't have the right flu shot for the strain of flu virus, people took it anyway.
Oregano oil would have killed the flu.Saying I'm playing doctor by suggesting a vitamin is absurd. I'm going to assume that when people get sick, you make no suggestion that they should take vitamin C or anything like that? That if they have inflammation or a headache that X product works well or worked well for you.
evolution said:Hawk, I thought I'd address a few more of your points before I run off to teach class.
I'm not sure where you got that 10mg of garlic is equal to 14 cloves. 10mg would be about the equivalent of a piece of garlic. They get this by taking garlic and crushing it up into a powder. And the amount of ginko and ginseng in there is very little. You have to take the amount in there. In the herb world, when these are included into a vitamin, they're known as movers and help with the absorbability of the vitamin. Again back to garlic...IF a woman had high blood pressure and was doing 10 times teh amount listed on the product then we might possibly have a problem. And it is up to the consumer to know what medications they are taking and to be knowledgable on what they are supplementing with. If a person gets X product and has X conditions and is taking X medication and doesn't seek advice/consultation where does the fault lie? We get people in the store all the time that want us to play doctor and we refuse...we also don't make suggestions according to their medications and we urge them to consult a physician. I don't understand why a person wouldn't look over labels and ask "hey...this is in there. Is this okay for me?"
If you're looking for ways to find extra protein in your diet and I say cottage cheese is a great source of protein and you take it and you're allergic to milk products, you cannot get upset with me because I didn't tell you "but don't eat it if you have a dairy allergy."
It's like someone asking me what's good for blood sugar regulation. Well, cinnamon is. I leave it at that because that was the extent of the question.
Those...most vitamins have a womans formula, childrens formula, no iron, with iron, no this, with that...different formulas for different needs.
My vitamin C was just to illustrate a point. The ascorbic acid you see in vitamins is not real vitamin C. It is high fructose corn syrup bonded with steric acid to come up with ascorbic acid. This is not vitamin C and so when you take X percentage of vitamin C, you're not really getting what you think you're getting as far as what the body needs.
I don't eat cloves of garlic because I don't overly care for the taste. But since supplement with garlic my high BP has gone down.
And let's not get started on immunizations. A couple years back we had a flu epidemic and even though we didn't have the right flu shot for the strain of flu virus, people took it anyway.
Saying I'm playing doctor by suggesting a vitamin is absurd. I'm going to assume that when people get sick, you make no suggestion that they should take vitamin C or anything like that? That if they have inflammation or a headache that X product works well or worked well for you.
I apologize if this is a bit scattered...I'm in hurry and a bit tired from throwing.