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Illegal drugs are for the simple minded. The only reason why drugs are still around to this day is because they make the people who are smart enough to stay off of them wealthy. Humans are not all the capable of making good decisions all the time. This is why we have laws. Laws are supposed to protect us, even if it is from ourselves. But it is clear that society can not legislate morality. This is why marijuana must be legalized. People will do this drug anyways, for any number of reasons. People are still doing marijuana even though it is illegal. So we must let the people who think it is alright to do marijuana be able to do it. This in it self will harm the users while the intelligent accumulate more wealth. Why do you think cigarettes are legal? Because the government knows they can’t stop smokers and they want the money they make from people buying them. People think they are free because they have the choice to do drugs. But what they don’t realize is they are not free nor will they ever be. Are any of us really free? This is a discussion for another time. There is a word for people who are free of these addictions, it is called an adult.
 
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I'm gonna go ahead and move this to the Lounge since it has little to do with nutrition. I wouldn't know where to begin to comment, so I'll leave it to others.
 
Erm, I'll have a go at responding if you like. What a load of complete and utter bullsh!t.

There, how was that? ;)

Tarring a HUGE section of the worlds population with the same brush and making sweeping generalisations and attempting to pass it off as fact...now THAT is for the simple minded.
 
Let's not let our feelings get out of hand. What have I tried to pass as fact that is not? I am going to have to ask for a more intelligent response.
 
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Eidolon said:
So we must let the people who think it is alright to do marijuana be able to do it. This in it self will harm the users while the intelligent accumulate more wealth.
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Basic Assumption: To have a massive gap in society's wealth is acceptable. Except I'm not so sure that's such a good thing (every 3rd class country in the world comes to mind)
 
Let's talk about the gap in America that seperates the wealthy from the poor. The market value of output (GDP) is a basic measure of an economy's size. The U.S. economy is far larger than any other and accounts for over one-fifth of the entire world's output. Less then 10 percent of the population in the U.S. controls over 50 percent of the wealth. If you ask me that is a large gap. Does America do as well as it does becuase we are "free" and the "third class" you speak of are repressed. If the free nations have a higher per capita GDP than repressed nations then making marijuana legal would only help our economy would it not? The phrase, "survival of the fittest" comes to mind when I think about this topic. Let the simple die out and let the complex rule.
 
I'd point out again, your whole argument lies on the fact that it is good and natural to have a society that has an enormous gap between wealth...Not all people believe that. (Americans are one of the societies that most strongly believe this assumption in general).
 
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The phrase, "survival of the fittest" comes to mind when I think about this topic. Let the simple die out and let the complex rule.
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So you're against welfare too right? Kill all retards to right? What about cancer treatment? Against that? I think you need to put more thought into your comments before clicking the 'Submit Reply' button.
 
man i could so unleash my philosophical knowledge of hard determinism and Rawlsian morality on this thread... but I don't wanna. lol
 
Eidolon so you basically want the "complex" people to legalize marijuana so they can profit off the "simple" people?

You speak like you worship money...are those pieces of paper your God?
 
I dont want to profit from marijuana. Nor do I want a particular group to benefit from it. Money is no god to me. I think the welfare system works just fine. I would not kill a fly let alone a retard. Now that your done attacking me for what I think maybe someone can give an answer worth debating. There are three things that motivate people. They are sex, money, and power. Money can buy the other two. I guess that makes money the most motivating.
 
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You said survival of the fittest, 'simple die out' if you don't mean exactly what you said, maybe you would like to explain yourself instead of leaving yet another general statement with no point. Legalizing marijuana probably would help our economy, as the death rate increases due to DUI's and other accidents caused by this drug, not to mention cancer rates going up.

If you can think of a reason to legalize marijuana to out weigh an increase in death, let's hear it.
 
My points are very obvious read it again. By legalizing the drug it will lower crime rates. The prohibition of alcohol only brought more crime. More people died of alcohol posioning during that time than they do now, and now days a lot more people drink it. It is the same with marijuana. If the price of marijuana can be regulated by the government it will make even less people want it becuase it will cost more due to taxation. In theory people wont want it as bad, becuase it wont be an illegal drug anymore. Do you think that more people die now of marijuana than if it were legal? I think thats a hard question. I think more people die becuase of that illegal drug now than ever before. I am thinking maybe, just maybe if it is legal and controled by the gov. our society will be a bit more safe. There is an enormous gap in wealth already in the U.S. Making this drug legal wont make an earth shattering difference, if any at all.
 
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Lower crime rates how? By lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana! Duh, if you legalized murder there would be a lower crime rate, but that doesn't mean things are better at all. IF infact more people died during that time (which I don't believe, I'm not taking your word for anything, I don't believe that more people died then, than now) it's probably because we are more medically advanced to treat that with stomach pumping etc. Raise the price of something that people are addicted to, and guess what, people will find ways to pay for it. Usually more illegal activity. Btw, all theories work on paper.
 
The price of all drugs go up and up year by year. This does not create more illegal activity. Cigarets are way more addicting then marijuana. Like I said before the illegalization of alcohol only created more crime. When we let the gov. legalize it, it became less of a problem having it. Legalizing marijuana will do the same.

mreik: Says, "Lower crime rates how? By lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana."
A: It is more complex than that. It will lower the amount of crime in a lot more ways than just by lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana.

Over simplification of my statment. "In theory people wont want it as bad, becuase it wont be an illegal drug anymore" does not change the fact that it's true. People out in the world do marijuana simply becuase it makes them feel excited for doing an illegal drug.
 
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The price of all drugs go up and up year by year. This does not create more illegal activity. Cigarets are way more addicting then marijuana. Like I said before the illegalization of alcohol only created more crime. When we let the gov. legalize it, it became less of a problem having it. Legalizing marijuana will do the same.

mreik: Says, "Lower crime rates how? By lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana."
A: It is more complex than that. It will lower the amount of crime in a lot more ways than just by lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana.
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I'm talking of addicting recreational drugs, not asprin or something. So don't lump 'drugs' together. What do cigarettes have anything to do with this? Making alcohol illegal caused more crime because people kept drinking, SO IT WAS ILLEGAL. Nothing changed besides that, hence this is why: mreik: Says, "Lower crime rates how? By lowering the amount of people arrested for having marijuana."
By legalizing it, you would just give people one more thing to be addicted to. Which would hurt people, forget the economy. If you legalize marijuana, more kids will use it, and more kids will be addicted to it. PERIOD, bad idea.

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Over simplification of my statment. "In theory people wont want it as bad, becuase it wont be an illegal drug anymore" does not change the fact that it's true. People out in the world do marijuana simply becuase it makes them feel excited for doing an illegal drug.
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You're wrong, and I won't even begin to comment.

I'm leaving this alone, you talk about one thing until you realize that you're point is not good, then you move on to another subject. Sheesh, you're like a girl. (j/p girls :D) but you really do remind me of people.
 
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I did not force you to read my post nor did i force you to comment. It's a nice change of pace to talk about issues like this, for me atleast. Instead of trying to use my own ideology against me. It might be less frustrating if you try and think of some yourself.

"You're wrong, and I won't even begin to comment." Wow :) I cant argue with that...
 
My thread is probably dead now but let's see what other people think. What are some pro's and con's for the legalization of marijuana or any other illegal drugs.

Let's discus this without calling each other names.
 
A change of pace? You've only ever made 12 posts on this forum so, prior to this thread, there was no pace. Seems to me that you only came here to argue or, 'debate' as you like to put it - aren't there forums out there better suited to that than a fitness forum?!
 
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