Sport Milk. Whats the Story?

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Hey guys, I was just wondering on what your take on milk is in general. If it fits within your caloric limits, is there anything you don't like about it, or any bonuses it has besides calcium? I am not going to lie, I drink a decent amount of 2% milk in a given day. I'm thinkin about grabbing a gallon of fat free as alot of my milk consumption is in mixed products, but I just wanted to hear whaty you guys think.

Thanks, AP.
 
There are people that don't like to drink because of all the hormones and chemicals and crap put into it. Personally i have no problem with milk when your bulking, but when your cutting it can be a problem.
 
I drink about 1/2 gallon a day of fat free whether cutting or bulking, but my metabolism isn't typical. I don't see a problem if it fits in with your caloric needs

You can get milk that wasn't made with artificial growth hormones
 
From the COL, Page 19-20

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Now on to opposing and proponents of cow milk: (just various things I have found):

I Love Cows Milk, But It Doesn't Love Me
by Jean LeStourgeon

I grew up drinking and loving cows milk. As I grew older and more health conscious I changed from whole milk to low fat milk thinking I was doing my body good!
From time to time, however, I would hear warnings about drinking milk. I didn’t understand why some nutrition minded experts were saying cow’s milk was bad. After all, my doctors seemed to agree with the many dairy association slogans. The message I heard all my life was, “You need to eat plenty of dairy if you want healthy bones and teeth.” As most American women do, as I got older, I also became very concerned about osteoporosis.

Finally, because of some personal and family health concerns, I decided to get to the bottom of this milk matter.

Here’s what I discovered…

First, let’s talk about the calcium scare…

While it is true that milk is calcium rich, most people don’t realize it is also phosphorous rich. Phosphorus combines with calcium in the intestines and prevents the calcium in milk from being absorbed! Additionally, drinking pasteurized milk creates an acidic body. A healthy body pH is around 7.4 or slightly alkaline. Since calcium is a nice buffer or neutralizer for acid, when the body becomes acidic, like when a person drinks milk, the body will naturally draw calcium away from the bones and teeth in an attempt to restore a healthy pH.

So while it’s true everybody needs calcium, milk appears to be one of the least effective ways of obtaining usable calcium. Furthermore there is confusion on what is an effective recommended daily allowance for calcium. For example our own National Academy of Science recommends 800 milligrams, the United Kingdom recommends 500 milligrams and the World Health Organization recommends 400 to 500.

Next, I discovered that cow’s milk is linked to a large number of common illnesses and diseases. According to Frank Oski, former Director of the Department of Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins, in his book Don't Drink Your Milk, Diarrhea, cramps, gastrointestinal bleeding, anemia, recurrent ear infections and even diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and leukemia have all been linked to cow’s milk. Though it is unclear why there is a link between milk consumption and some of these diseases, Dr. Colin Campbell, in his book The China Study, makes some keen observations…

He hypothesizes that because the protein in milk is difficult for many people to digest, the body treats the undigested protein that makes its way into the blood stream, as a foreign invader. The body naturally develops antibodies to attack these foreign protein invaders.

Unfortunately, the foreign proteins look similar to some of the proteins present in various organ systems. That’s when the disease formation occurs. The antibodies made to attack the foreign proteins now also begin to attack the look-a-like proteins in the organs themselves. This may lead to a whole host of various diseases.

So what’s a person to do to ensure they are getting the calcium they need? Begin by following a nutrition plan that maximizes the absorption of calcium into your blood and bones and teeth, a nutrition plan that creates an alkaline environment in your body.

You can begin to accomplish this by avoiding animal protein. High protein diets have been shown to result in more calcium losses (animal protein creates an acidic body environment). Next, make sure you eat plenty of broccoli, leafy green vegetables, kale and a variety of legumes that are rich in calcium and promote a healthy body pH.


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Don't Drink Your Milk!

Processing Is the Problem

The path that transforms healthy milk products into allergens and carcinogens begins with modern feeding methods that substitute high-protein, soy-based feeds for fresh green grass and breeding methods to produce cows with abnormally large pituitary glands so that they produce three times more milk than the old fashioned scrub cow. These cows need antibiotics to keep them well.

Their milk is then pasteurized so that all valuable enzymes are destroyed (lactase for the assimilation of lactose; galactase for the assimilation of galactose; phosphatase for the assimilation of calcium).

Literally dozens of other precious enzymes are destroyed in the pasteurization process. Without them, milk is very difficult to digest. The human pancreas is not always able to produce these enzymes; over-stress of the pancreas can lead to diabetes and other diseases.

The butterfat of commercial milk is homogenized, subjecting it to rancidity. Even worse, butterfat may be removed altogether. Skim milk is sold as a health food, but the truth is that butter-fat is in milk for a reason.

Without it the body cannot absorb and utilize the vitamins and minerals in the water fraction of the milk. Along with valuable trace minerals and short chain fatty acids, butterfat is America's best source of preformed vitamin A.

Synthetic vitamin D, known to be toxic to the liver, is added to replace the natural vitamin D complex in butterfat. Butterfat also contains re-arranged acids which have strong anti-carcinogenic properties.

Non-fat dried milk is added to 1% and 2% milk. Unlike the cholesterol in fresh milk, which plays a variety of health promoting roles, the cholesterol in non-fat dried milk is oxidized and it is this rancid cholesterol that promotes heart disease.

Like all spray dried products, non-fat dried milk has a high nitrite content. Non-fat dried milk and sweetened condensed milk are the principle dairy products in third world countries; use of ultra high temperature pasteurized milk is widespread in Europe.

Other Factors Regarding Milk

Milk and refined sugar make two of the largest contributions to food induced ill health in our country. That may seem like an overly harsh statement, but when one examines the evidence, this is a reasonable conclusion.

The recent approval by the FDA of the use of BGH (Bovine Growth Hormone) by dairy farmers to increase their milk production only worsens the already sad picture.

BGH causes an increase in an insulin-like growth factor (IGF-1) in the milk of treated cows. IGF-1 survives milk pasteurization and human intestinal digestion. It can be directly absorbed into the human bloodstream, particularly in infants.

It is highly likely that IGF-1 promotes the transformation of human breast cells to cancerous forms. IGF-1 is also a growth factor for already cancerous breast and colon cancer cells, promoting their progression and invasiveness.

It is also possible for us to absorb the BGH directly from the milk. This will cause further IGF-1 production by our own cells.

BGH will also decrease the body fat of cows. Unfortunately, the body fat of cows is already contaminated with a wide range of carcinogens, pesticides, dioxin, and antibiotic residues. When the cows have less body fat, these toxic substances are then transported into the cows' milk.

BGH also causes the cows to have an increase in breast infections for which they must receive additional antibiotics.

Prior to BGH, 38%of milk sampled nationally was already contaminated by illegal residues of antibiotics and animal drugs. This will only increase with the use of BGH. One can only wonder what the long term complications will be for drinking milk that has a 50% chance it is contaminated with antibiotics.

There is also a problem with a protein enzyme called xanthine oxidase which is in cow's milk. Normally, proteins are broken down once you digest them.

However, when milk is homogenized, small fat globules surround the xanthine oxidase and it is absorbed intact into your blood stream. There is some very compelling research demonstrating clear associations with this absorbed enzyme and increased risks of heart disease.

Ear specialists frequently insert tubes into the ear drums of infants to treat recurrent ear infections. It has replaced the previously popular tonsillectomy to become the number one surgery in the country.

Unfortunately, most of these specialists don't realize that over 50% of these children will improve and have no further ear infections if they just stop drinking their milk.

This is a real tragedy. Not only is the $3,000 spent on the surgery wasted, but there are some recent articles supporting the likelihood that most children who have this procedure will have long term hearing losses.

It is my strong recommendation that you discontinue your milk products. If you find this difficult, I would start for several weeks only, and reevaluate how you feel at that time.

This would include ALL dairy, including skim milk and Lact-Aid milk, cheese, yogurt, and ice cream. If you feel better after several weeks you can attempt to rotate small amounts of one form of milk every four days.

You probably are wondering what will happen to your bones and teeth if you stop milk. The majority of the world's population takes in less than half the calcium we are told we need and yet they have strong bones and healthy teeth.

Cows' milk is rich in phosphorous which can combine with calcium -- and can prevent you from absorbing the calcium in milk. The milk protein also accelerates calcium excretion from the blood through the kidneys.

This is also true when you eat large amount of meat and poultry products. Vegetarians will need about 50% less calcium than meat eaters because they lose much less calcium in their urine.

It is possible to obtain all your calcium from dark green vegetables (where do you think the cow gets their's from?). The darker the better. Cooked collard greens and kale are especially good. If you or your child is unable to take in large amounts of green vegetables, you might want to supplement with calcium.

If you can swallow pills, we have an excellent, inexpensive source called Calcium Citrate, which has a number of other minerals which your body requires to build up maximally healthy bone.

It is much better than a simple calcium tablet. You can take about 1,000 mg a day. For those who already suffer from osteoporosis, the best calcium supplement is microcrystalline hydroxyapatite.

It is also important that you take vitamin D in the winter months from November to March. Normally your skin converts sunshine to vitamin D, but the sunshine levels in the winter are very low unless you visit Florida or Mexico type areas.

Most people obtain their vitamin D from milk in the winter; so if you stop it, please make sure you are taking calcium with vitamin D or a multi vitamin with vitamin D to prevent bone thinning.

Most people are not aware that the milk of most mammals varies considerably in its composition. For example, the milk of goats, elephants, cows, camels, wolves, and walruses show marked differences, in their content of fats, protein, sugar, and minerals. Each was designed to provide optimum nutrition to the young of the respective species. Each is different from human milk.

In general, most animals are exclusively breast-fed until they have tripled their birth weight, which in human infants occurs around the age of one year. In no mammalian species, except for the human (and domestic cat) is milk consumption continued after the weaning period. Calves thrive on cow milk. Cow's milk is designed for calves.

Cow's milk is the number one allergic food in this country. It has been well documented as a cause in diarrhea, cramps, bloating, gas, gastrointestinal bleeding, iron-deficiency anemia, skin rashes, atherosclerosis, and acne.

It is the primary cause of recurrent ear infections in children. It has also been linked to insulin dependent diabetes, rheumatoid arthritis, infertility, and leukemia.

Hopefully, you will reconsider your position on using milk as a form of nourishment. Small amounts of milk or milk products taken infrequently, will likely cause little or no problems for most people.

However, the American Dairy Board has done a very effective job of marketing this product. Most people believe they need to consume large, daily quantities of milk to achieve good health. NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Public health officials and the National Dairy Council have worked together in this country to make it very difficult to obtain wholesome, fresh, raw dairy products. Nevertheless, they can be found with a little effort. In some states, you can buy raw milk directly from farmers.

Whole, pasteurized, non-homogenized milk from cows raised on organic feed is now available in many gourmet shops and health food stores. It can be cultured to restore enzyme content, at least partially. Cultured buttermilk is often more easily digested than regular milk; it is an excellent product to use in baking.

Many shops now carry whole cream that is merely pasteurized (not ultra pasteurized like most commercial cream); diluted with water, it is delicious on cereal and a good substitute for those allergic to milk.
 
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Again, from the COL.

Milk: It Does a Body Good?
It all depends on where it comes from, doesn't it?
By Lori Lipinski

The subject of milk sparks just about as much controversy as the subject of fats. Many alternative practitioners feel that it's not necessary for humans to consume cow's milk and link its consumption to health problems, such as ear infections, allergies, cancer and diabetes. On the other hand, the medical community has convinced us that if we don't drink enough milk our bones will disintegrate. And the American Dairy Association wants us to think we'll be cool like celebrities with milk mustaches if we drink lots of milk.

The purpose of this article is not to convince you to drink milk or not to drink milk. Instead, it addresses those who do--or would like to--drink milk and consume dairy products. If you fit into this category, then you need to know where your milk has come from and what it has been through.

LIVING CONDITIONS
If I were to ask you to picture a cow, you would most likely see in your mind a cow grazing in an open pasture, like one you'd probably seen before on a small family farm. That's a lucky cow, compared to most of the cows bred for dairy production in this country. The majority of commercial dairy cows don't have the luxury of grazing on open fields. Instead they are kept in intense confinement, in individual stalls, on hard cement floors, hooked up to milking machines, forced to produce milk ten months out of the year, in an overcrowded building. This is how the average commercial dairy cow spends her short, miserable life--42 months on average, compared to 12-15 years for a cow on pasture.

ENVIRONMENT
Not only is the unnatural building environment a problem for the cow, but it can be a huge problem for the people around it as well. The massive amount of waste produced on a factory farm is overwhelming and can have devastating effects on the surrounding environment. Over one-fifth of the country's dairy products are produced in the central valley of California where confinement operations create as much waste as a city of 21 million people! Much of that waste is forced unnaturally into the environment, polluting our lakes, rivers and streams. On the other hand, small farms are able to recycle manure back into the earth to enrich the soil.

FEED
A cow's natural diet consists mostly of grass, but since there isn't enough grass to go around on the factory farm, today's factory cow is fed a diet of mostly grain, and other things" that they would not normally eat. The bulk of the feed consists of corn and soy, which receives 80 percent of all herbicides used in the US. When we think of pesticides we usually think of produce, but animal products can contain up to 14 times more pesticides than plants!1

Simply switching the cow's diet from grass to grain can cause many problems, but that's only the beginning. According to a recent article in US News & World Report, Some 40 billion pounds a year of slaughterhouse wastes like blood, bone and viscera, as well as the remains of millions of euthanized cats and dogs passed along by veterinarians and animal shelters, are rendered annually into livestock feed

. . . . Animal-feed manufacturers and farmers also have begun using or trying out dehydrated food garbage, fats emptied from restaurant fryers and grease traps, cement-kiln dust, even newspapers and cardboard that are derived from plant cellulose. Researchers in addition have experimented with cattle and hog manure, and human sewage sludge."2

When I first read this I thought there were probably only a handful of farmers crazy enough to feed dead cats and dogs and other animals parts to their vegetarian cows, but I was dead wrong! During the BSE scare, the FDA ordered a halt to feeding all slaughterhouse wastes to cattle and sheep in the US. At that time 75 percent of the nation's 90 million cattle had been eating feed containing slaughterhouse by-products!

Like humans, animals need nutrients to thrive and be healthy. Obviously the feed given to factory farmed cows is not intended to provide proper nourishment. Instead, farmers, or shall I say food manufacturers, are interested in stuffing whatever they can into the cows to bulk them up as quickly as possible. This can quickly lead to sick animals and heavy doses of drugs. Like pesticides, these drugs end up in the milk of the dairy animals, as do trans fats from bakery wastes, undigested proteins from soy and animal foods and aflatoxins from moldy grain. To make matters worse, levels of vitamin A and D drop off precipitously when cows are given any feed other than green growing grass.

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For more articles and info on MILK see pages 19 through 23 in the ChillOut Log. There are articles for and against it (at the time, any way)

Just some info.


I drink milk, and I am still walking around (;) ), and have drank it throughout my cut without any problems.

GOT MILK? DRINK IT! :)



Best wishes,


Chillen
 
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I'm one of those people that won't drink milk because of all the hormones and crap thats in it. I also just don't like the taste of it anymore (used to love it).

I love making my own almond milk but the store bought unsweetened almond milk is tasty too.

I think milk is one of those many things, some people think it's bad and others will drink it happily until the day they die! You just gotta do what works for you. :)
 
Milk is great, contains a complete set of vitamins and minerals. Because dairy foods are usually high in fat, it would be best to get low fat milk if you could.
 
On the articles Chillen posted...

The second article is very biased. I didn't take much validity in the rest of the article after reading "cow spends her short, miserable life". It has many more opinions than it does facts. Some statements just aren't true.

I worked on a farm for 7 years. Although it was a hog farm and not a dairy farm, some of the same principals apply. One of the incorrect opinions in this article "Obviously the feed given to factory farmed cows is not intended to provide proper nourishment". Nutrition is the main concern for anyone raising livestock. If an animal gets sick and needs to be treated with antibiotics it costs a lot more than providing proper nourishment. If an animal dies it is a much greater loss. The farm I worked on was fairly large. Verternarians would come in every week to look over the animals and make nutritional changes to produce the healthiest animals. Although corn/soybean fed, there were dozens of vitamins, minerals and amino acids that were mixed into the feed to promote healthy animals. Also, these were slaughter animals, there was a rule that for a specific period of time before market, animals were not allowed to be treated so that any antibiotics would have ample time to be out of the animals system.

My grandfather raised a small group of both dairy and slaughter cattle. They were pastured during the summer, but they were also fed corn. During the winter they received a mix of hay and corn.
 
I'm one of those people who drank from 0.5 to 1 liters of Milk per day , which isn't that much. I did that for around 2 months, and I developed lactose intolerance. God knows what kind of chemicals are in the milk. I don't even wanna touch it, let alone drink it.
 
From the COL, Page 19-20

Next, I discovered that cow’s milk is linked to a large number of common illnesses and diseases. According to Frank Oski, former Director of the Department of Pediatrics at Johns Hopkins, in his book Don't Drink Your Milk, Diarrhea, cramps, gastrointestinal bleeding, anemia, recurrent ear infections and even diabetes, multiple sclerosis, rheumatoid arthritis and leukemia have all been linked to cow’s milk.

I used to drink 3-4 large glasses of 1-2% milk until I was 18, then I switched to Skim milk and began experiencing some of those problems: diarrhea, cramps, gastrointestinal bleeding, along with being bloated all the time. I always had ear infections growing up and had the surgery with tubes they speak about later in the article. I stopped drinking milk last fall to see if that was the problem. After having a colonoscopy, I was bound and determined to find the cause, because I didn't want to have another of those until I was old! lol It seemed to do the trick, I still eat yogurt, cheese, and cottage cheese, but no more milk for me!
 
What Chillen's posts do not add is that there is mounting scientific evidence that drinking chilled milk is directly linked to a lower occurence of cancer causing colon polyps.

Also, while it is true that milk isn't the best way of getting your calcium when compared to certain vegetables, such as brocolli, in older individuals, particularly those with osteoarthritis, calcium from dairy, vegetable, and manufactured supplements all have about the same absorbtion rates.
 
I drink a couple glasses day. I've never broken a bone, have very healthy teeth and have been able to cut with no problems. I love chocolate milk when we have it in the house.

My wife on the other hand never drinks any milk, has trouble cutting, has some issues with her teeth, and has broken a couple bones before. Coincidence? Perhaps
 
I drink a couple glasses day. I've never broken a bone, have very healthy teeth and have been able to cut with no problems. I love chocolate milk when we have it in the house.

My wife on the other hand never drinks any milk, has trouble cutting, has some issues with her teeth, and has broken a couple bones before. Coincidence? Perhaps

strike that. I've always been drinking a lot of milk, never broke a bone, no trouble cutting. I have had some cavities, but overall my teeth are strong and healthy.
 
I can't see how hormones in milk would effect us. First of all, growth hormones are protein hormones, and we would just end up digesting them anyway. Second of all, they're bovine hormones so even if we injected them, which would be the only way to get the hormone itself into the bloodstream, they wouldn't do what human growth hormones do.

As for digestibility. Most of us in the western world make lactase, because we've evolved to drink milk in our adult years. Some of us have not. So yeah, if you're lactose intolerant, don't drink milk. If you're not, then you can digest it just fine.
 
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