Milk or Water
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Ya know...there's a lot of arguement about how humans should not be drinking cow's milk. It's been projected that the average American eats close to 600-pounds of dairy products each year. Problem is, milk is not as healthy as the ads on tv lead you to believe.
In milk you can find: chemicals, growth hormones, allergenic proteins, blood, pus, antibiotics, bacteria and viruses. Cow's milk is not designed for humans...it has 20x the casein of human milk. Cow's milk is designed to take an infant from 8-pounds to 40-pounds in 18 months...whereas cow's milk is designed to take a calf from 90-pounds to 1,000-pounds in about 24 months. Although they are both white, mother's milk and cow's milk are totally different beverages..and the cow's milk you buy in the store and what you get from a cow is also different substances.
First-off...homogenized milk is not natural and presents serious health risks. The theory behind homogenization sounds simple: break up the fat particles in milk until they are so small that they stay suspended in the milk and don't rise to the top to form the layer of cream that used to be the trademark of all bottles of milk. Unfurtunately, there's a side-effect to this process: once you make the fat particles so small that they don't rise, you've also make them so small that they easily get absorbed into the body and clog your arteries!
Second, there's the problem of the growth hormone used in dairy cows to increase milk production...this growth hormone, called bovine-somatotrophin (BST) was developed by Monsanto: it was supposed to be identical to the actual gwoth hormone found in cows, and in fact, as part of their 55,000 page application to the FDA, Monsanto submitted a chart identifying the 191 amino acids contained in BST showing that they absolutely matched the amino acid chain found in natural growth hormone. BUT THIS IS INACCURATE. The problem occurs at amino acid #144 which was supposed to be Lysine in both the natural growth hormone and in Monsanto's BST. As it turns out, it isn't. In the July 1994 issue of Protein Science (3:1089-97,1994) it was concluded that Monsanto's amino acid #144 is in fact Epsilon-N-acetyllysin, a freak substance. BST was recalled, but not in the U.S.
Also, there's the fact that the body digest milk (any milk) differently once gastric juices begin to flow (around 18-20 months)...before gastric juices flow, milk is alkaline and non-mucous forming in the body...but once gastric juices enter the picture, they turn milk acid...forming mucous, causing sinus problems, allergies, colds, etc. That is why every animal except man weans it's young off milk!
other implications: Heart disease, cancer, diabetes, alergies, colds, colitis, colic and earches in young children.
Dude: Lite Soy-Milk...flavinoids, protein and adds a nice dimension when you use the Vanilla flavor.
Milk is good for you....marketing concept made up by advertisting execs: don't believe the hype!
In milk you can find: chemicals, growth hormones, allergenic proteins, blood, pus, antibiotics, bacteria and viruses. Cow's milk is not designed for humans...it has 20x the casein of human milk. Cow's milk is designed to take an infant from 8-pounds to 40-pounds in 18 months...whereas cow's milk is designed to take a calf from 90-pounds to 1,000-pounds in about 24 months. Although they are both white, mother's milk and cow's milk are totally different beverages..and the cow's milk you buy in the store and what you get from a cow is also different substances.
First-off...homogenized milk is not natural and presents serious health risks. The theory behind homogenization sounds simple: break up the fat particles in milk until they are so small that they stay suspended in the milk and don't rise to the top to form the layer of cream that used to be the trademark of all bottles of milk. Unfurtunately, there's a side-effect to this process: once you make the fat particles so small that they don't rise, you've also make them so small that they easily get absorbed into the body and clog your arteries!
Second, there's the problem of the growth hormone used in dairy cows to increase milk production...this growth hormone, called bovine-somatotrophin (BST) was developed by Monsanto: it was supposed to be identical to the actual gwoth hormone found in cows, and in fact, as part of their 55,000 page application to the FDA, Monsanto submitted a chart identifying the 191 amino acids contained in BST showing that they absolutely matched the amino acid chain found in natural growth hormone. BUT THIS IS INACCURATE. The problem occurs at amino acid #144 which was supposed to be Lysine in both the natural growth hormone and in Monsanto's BST. As it turns out, it isn't. In the July 1994 issue of Protein Science (3:1089-97,1994) it was concluded that Monsanto's amino acid #144 is in fact Epsilon-N-acetyllysin, a freak substance. BST was recalled, but not in the U.S.
Also, there's the fact that the body digest milk (any milk) differently once gastric juices begin to flow (around 18-20 months)...before gastric juices flow, milk is alkaline and non-mucous forming in the body...but once gastric juices enter the picture, they turn milk acid...forming mucous, causing sinus problems, allergies, colds, etc. That is why every animal except man weans it's young off milk!
other implications: Heart disease, cancer, diabetes, alergies, colds, colitis, colic and earches in young children.
Dude: Lite Soy-Milk...flavinoids, protein and adds a nice dimension when you use the Vanilla flavor.
Milk is good for you....marketing concept made up by advertisting execs: don't believe the hype!
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It's a little more expensive, but go with organic milk... no hormones or other bad stuff.
I'm not a big milk fan either. I gotta say that milk is over-rated.
Maybe fresh cow milk is healthy, I cannot say for sure, never tried it.But the commercial type of milk that is sold in the stores is certainly not. I started drinking larger amounts of milk few months ago to get my calories up and get some additional protein. I drank around 1 liter of milk daily.. which is not too much. Few months later... I developed lactose intolerance. Milk is giving me the s**ts, some minor stomach aches, maybe even giving me fatigue in some cases (i'm not quite sure if the milk caused the fatigue). I quit drinking milk few weeks ago and I'm all good.
I mean why would you want to get such large amounts of lactose in your body by drinking milk, I don't see any benefits from lactose. Yeah, the protein from the milk is good, but the lactose is not, as well as the artificial additives that are put in the milk when it's processed.
Also I don't think soy-milk is a good substitute. I think soy is overrated.
More and more articles appear claiming that soy increases estrogen levels and decreases testosterone. Yeah, some of those article are from unknown sources, but I've read few articles from reputable authors which recommend that you shouldn't even touch soy, Unless you wanna become more feminine! It's that bad. There have been some studies done on this as well.
WATER SHOULD BE THE NEW MILK
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Good idea....
In further quoting a book I have (you didn't think I was smart enough to actually know crap?
)...If you must have dairy, use organic. Avoid homogenized milk at all costs. There are a number of grain & rice-based milk alterntives, some of which are spectacular.
Note:
Milk is often pitched as a great source of calcium. It is not. Yes, it has a high calcium content, but the body is able to utilize very little of it; and in fact because of the way the body deals with milk, consumption of milk actually leaches calcium from the bones. If you have any doubt about this consider the fact that Americans are amoung the highest consumers of dairy in the world, eating an average of 600-pounds of dairy a year per peson, and yet we have one of the highest incidences of osteoporosis in the civilized world!!!!
Course I figured you knew that, I was just adding that for the benefit of the thread.
And while it's true that milk intake has no impact on preventing osteoporosis, calcium from other food sources show no evidence of preventing osteoporosis and bone fracturing either. In reality, a lot of recent studies support the reasoning that calcium must be supplemented before adulthood in women in order to strengthen bones for life.
Also, while I know it's an aged study (I haven't been able to find anything more recent to contradict it), this study shows that calcium absorption rates are similar for dairy products, non-dairy products, and calcium supplements, at around 24% of the total calcium content.
Also, there are studies that show an inverse relationship to (non-fermented) milk products and colon cancer, meaning that it may actually help to prevent the occurrence of colon cancer.
And another study suggests that milk may help prevent hypertension (though it does acknowledge that social factors may also play a role).
In the end I think that if you are ingesting organic (or soy faux) dairy or lactose free dairy for the lactose intolerant, it is as healthy as any other naturally born beverage (in moderation).
And while it's true that milk intake has no impact on preventing osteoporosis, calcium from other food sources show no evidence of preventing osteoporosis and bone fracturing either. In reality, a lot of recent studies support the reasoning that calcium must be supplemented before adulthood in women in order to strengthen bones for life.
Also, while I know it's an aged study (I haven't been able to find anything more recent to contradict it), this study shows that calcium absorption rates are similar for dairy products, non-dairy products, and calcium supplements, at around 24% of the total calcium content.
Also, there are studies that show an inverse relationship to (non-fermented) milk products and colon cancer, meaning that it may actually help to prevent the occurrence of colon cancer.
And another study suggests that milk may help prevent hypertension (though it does acknowledge that social factors may also play a role).
In the end I think that if you are ingesting organic (or soy faux) dairy or lactose free dairy for the lactose intolerant, it is as healthy as any other naturally born beverage (in moderation).
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Oh....here is what I suggest:
They say water really is the very best thing, plain & simple...but I like a bit of flavor; it helps me drink more!
3 things I dabble with....
1) Ice-tea. I take some packages of Green Tea, some Rasberry stuff....or just about any flavor you want. No sweetner at all. What you get: some flavor, anti-oxidants, flavinoids, some anti-inflammatory qualities and a bit of stimulant kick to the metabolism. I mostly sip on this during the day.
2) For workouts I sometimes use a powder I get from Costco, it's called Zip-Fizz. No calories, lots of vitamins, no artificial sweetners, some caffiene-like stimulants....good to take before and during the workout, I usually take it diluted just to stretch it out. Lots of B-vitamins, supposedly good to helping your body access & burn more energy from fat. Does it work? who knows....but I'm inclined to believe it rather does to a degree.
3) There's some stuff called Accelerade....it's a before/during/after drink. But understand: it has calories! I massively diulte it. It has electrolytes and other agents that supposedly allow your body to use the water faster and produce energy from fat better too. I use about 1/4-scoop, way watered-down.
Avoid energy drinks like MONSTER and anything that has large/scary flourescent lettering.
They say water really is the very best thing, plain & simple...but I like a bit of flavor; it helps me drink more!
3 things I dabble with....
1) Ice-tea. I take some packages of Green Tea, some Rasberry stuff....or just about any flavor you want. No sweetner at all. What you get: some flavor, anti-oxidants, flavinoids, some anti-inflammatory qualities and a bit of stimulant kick to the metabolism. I mostly sip on this during the day.
2) For workouts I sometimes use a powder I get from Costco, it's called Zip-Fizz. No calories, lots of vitamins, no artificial sweetners, some caffiene-like stimulants....good to take before and during the workout, I usually take it diluted just to stretch it out. Lots of B-vitamins, supposedly good to helping your body access & burn more energy from fat. Does it work? who knows....but I'm inclined to believe it rather does to a degree.
3) There's some stuff called Accelerade....it's a before/during/after drink. But understand: it has calories! I massively diulte it. It has electrolytes and other agents that supposedly allow your body to use the water faster and produce energy from fat better too. I use about 1/4-scoop, way watered-down.
Avoid energy drinks like MONSTER and anything that has large/scary flourescent lettering.
What a way to burst a bubble. I LOVE milk. I have about a half a cup of regular full cream straight out of the carton type with cereal about every second day. Surely it's OK in moderation. All this stuff about milk being bad for you would have to be if it's consumed in large quantities wouldn't it? I mean nothing is good in large doses - right? Isn't it all about moderation?
I LOVE milk. I have about a half a cup of regular full cream straight out of the carton type with cereal about every second day. Surely it's OK in moderation. All this stuff about milk being bad for you would have to be if it's consumed in large quantities wouldn't it? I mean nothing is good in large doses - right? Isn't it all about moderation?I'm trying to cut milk from my diet, at least in half as I'm trying to lose some added weight. I take protein to but use water, if you want extra protein just add some peanut butter or an extra serving of protein mix. Personally I think people are too addicted to milk as it is. Ma..Ma..