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Korrie

Korrie

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I came across a post in another forum I'm on and it was this woman who claimed McD's gave her dad a heart attack and killed him. She mentioned that he routinely ate McD's everyday for 20 yrs! I told her that while I was very very sorry for her loss....everyone is responsible for their own choices. To me, this was another example of the total lack of responsiblity in this world. Just like back a few yrs ago when someone spilled coffee on themselves and sued McD's for it. Can't anyone say "it was my choice, I'll live with the consequences" :banghead:
 
Welcome to America.
 
The McDonald's coffee incident was somewhat justified - a buddy of mine studied the case in a law class and there was a lot more detail that didn't make it into public knowledge... I'm not saying that people shouldn't be responsible for their own actions but companies need to exericse some responsiblity too -and McDonalds wasn't being responsible for serving thier coffee at scalding temps...

But last time I checked the chemical that's put on the fries at Mcdonalds isn't addictive so it's a person's choice to eat there or not... the devil didn't make them do it...
 
while you can't always believe everything you read on Wikipedia - this part is true
Liebeck v. McDonald's Restaurants - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's.
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well, ok, I can see that....but blaming McD's for her dads heart attack is silly...esp after saying he ate there everyday for 20 yrs!
 
I used to work at McDonalds back in the 80s (when the uniforms were still polyester). And there were ZERO healthy choices, but within the last 20 years or so they have managed to put a few 'low fatter' choices like salads and such. I would never blame a franchise I frequent with my own free will for my health.

Most people are in denial about most things that pertain to themselves anyway, so I'm not surprised.
 
God Bless America, the land where anyone can file a frivolous lawsuit.

Just throwing this out there but I heart the McRib.
 
During the case, Liebeck's attorneys discovered that McDonald's required franchises to serve coffee at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C). At that temperature, the coffee would cause a third-degree burn in two to seven seconds. Stella Liebeck's attorney argued that coffee should never be served hotter than 140 °F (60 °C), and that a number of other establishments served coffee at a substantially lower temperature than McDonald's.
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Totally understandable but I fail to see the logic of putting something hot, regardless of the actual temperature, between your knees and then being surprised when it spills and you get burned. I imagine that if you sat in a puddle of 140 degree coffee for 90 seconds as set forth in the case you are still getting burned...is it worth something? Yes. Did McDonalds invite their own headache by not paying her medical bills as requested? You bet. However, I can see their logic to a degree b/c she chose to put the coffee there. It's hot and it can burn. Duh.

I have a certain contempt for some of this 'lack of responsibility' litigation which probably came though in this post. I didn't mean to offend anyone and if I did, I'm sorry :)
 
ali.smedley said:
Totally understandable but I fail to see the logic of putting something hot, regardless of the actual temperature, between your knees and then being surprised when it spills and you get burned. I imagine that if you sat in a puddle of 140 degree coffee for 90 seconds as set forth in the case you are still getting burned...is it worth something? Yes. Did McDonalds invite their own headache by not paying her medical bills as requested? You bet. However, I can see their logic to a degree b/c she chose to put the coffee there. It's hot and it can burn. Duh.

I have a certain contempt for some of this 'lack of responsibility' litigation which probably came though in this post. I didn't mean to offend anyone and if I did, I'm sorry :)
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Totally agree with Ali here... I understand they serve it HOTTER than they should have in the past. BUT, putting a coffee between your legs and driving isn't the smartest choice either... so sometimes people get rewarded for the dumbest shit.
 
My point was that if you are going to 'assume the risk' of placing a heated beverage (regardless of whether it was 140 or 190 degrees) between your legs, you are taking the chance that something could go wrong and you are going to get burned.

Keith is right, get out of the car and do something about it. Sit in your chair for 90 seconds and do nothing...it is a LONG time. It amazes me the things people do.

Just think, she is now famous - I love reading the 'Stella Awards' when they come out.
 
ali.smedley said:
My point was that if you are going to 'assume the risk' of placing a heated beverage (regardless of whether it was 140 or 190 degrees) between your legs, you are taking the chance that something could go wrong and you are going to get burned.

Keith is right, get out of the car and do something about it. Sit in your chair for 90 seconds and do nothing...it is a LONG time. It amazes me the things people do.

Just think, she is now famous - I love reading the 'Stella Awards' when they come out.
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This is a great quote from the WIKI article as well...

Though defenders of the Liebeck verdict argue that her coffee was unusually hotter than other coffee sold, other major vendors of coffee, including Starbucks, Dunkin' Donuts, Wendy's, and Burger King, produce coffee at a similar or higher temperature, and have been subjected to similar lawsuits over third-degree burns.[14]
Home and commercial coffee makers often reach comparable temperatures.[15] The National Coffee Association instructs that coffee be brewed “between 195-205 degrees Fahrenheit [91–96 °C] for optimal extraction” and consumed “immediately”. If not consumed immediately, the coffee is to be “maintained at 180-185 degrees Fahrenheit.” [16]
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The lady was a dummy... in my eyes at least.
 
It's all about personal choices, and sadly these days people will sue for just about anything :/
 
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