Maintaining....as hard as losing?

sophienaz

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Hi Guys,

God I love this forum, read it every day.
Just wanted to rant a little.....I reached my target a while back and I am happy that after 2 years of losing the 100lbs, I have managed to maintain it like this for 7 months.
However, can I just say...maintaining this target is hard too. Its not like I am sitting back, on my ass, relaxing and eating burritos and getting hammered every night. Still training 6 days a week, eating very healthily, etc. Its all good, but you know what? Sometimes I just want to relax and pack it all in. Its hard work, no?
How do some people just have naturally athletic bodies? I did some reading on "set points", i.e. the weight you are meant to be with regards to your frame and height, etc. I reckon my set point is way heavier. So why am I always fighting it? To look good and to feel great, I know. But its still so......damn hard.

Thats it, rant over. Anyone else feel the same?
 
Hi Guys,

God I love this forum, read it every day.
Just wanted to rant a little.....I reached my target a while back and I am happy that after 2 years of losing the 100lbs, I have managed to maintain it like this for 7 months.
However, can I just say...maintaining this target is hard too. Its not like I am sitting back, on my ass, relaxing and eating burritos and getting hammered every night. Still training 6 days a week, eating very healthily, etc. Its all good, but you know what? Sometimes I just want to relax and pack it all in. Its hard work, no?
How do some people just have naturally athletic bodies? I did some reading on "set points", i.e. the weight you are meant to be with regards to your frame and height, etc. I reckon my set point is way heavier. So why am I always fighting it? To look good and to feel great, I know. But its still so......damn hard.

Thats it, rant over. Anyone else feel the same?

I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that if I want to be thin I can never eat junk food again.

I think people like us have to fight it because we have a different attitude toward food. Some people just aren't interested in food the way overweight people are. They are able to have a small piece of desert and stop, and not have to fight it. They naturally end up eating maintenance calories.

It's just like some people can have a glass of wine occasionally and others become alcoholics.
 
Well I'd say count yourself lucky! (WARNING: rant coming up...!)

I used to have anorexia, BMI 14, did get lower. Recovered and lost weight twice after the first bout, two of those were due to bulimia mixed with anorexia, one down to anorexia alone so I do know have experience on me losing weight as I have done it before.

Yet here I am, 10 years after my first recovery and my weight all of a sudden within a year jumped from a BMI 16 to a now BMI 23. This happened 2 years ago and ever since I have been trying to get it to a level I can tolerate: BMI 20.

Now I know I have my work cut out for me, I am older, both my parents are overweight (one is obese) so I knew it was going to be hard from the offset.

I wanted to do it all properly, you know, reduce, eat even portions, good nutrition and plenty of exercise, I saw a dietition as well as doing my won research, first thing was to eat protein. Only my weight just kept climbing up and up. so I did the only thing I knew how to do, cut out food groups, keep myself locked to the treadmill (despite injury) and monitor everything I do.

So far I have cut out all carbs besides my 30g of porridge oats every morning, cut out all dairy, all red meat, all alcohol, any and all junk food, sweets, chocolate rice cakes included, all sugar. I do eat fruit but only eat apples and once a week strawberrys. I allow myself 1800kcals a day as I cannot actually get lower then that, I exercise 1-2 hours per day with a rest day where I walk alot (no car, no bike) and another rest day where I do powerplate and weights so I consider myself active hence I think the difficulty in keeping the calories lower then they are.

So am losing weight? are my clothes fitting better? do I feel better within myself?

Nope. Infact if anything clothes feel a little tighter. I do not weigh myself, too scared of what it says, I go by dress size, how lose things fit and so far, years on, clothes do not fit....they are too tight.

So I am now thinking I have messed up my body, its ability to lose weight and I am stuck at a steadily growing BMI which one day could be obese. It scares me, it makes me feel despondant, it depresses me.

I would love to be able to get at a maintanance level and wonder how to maintain. Instead I am wondering if I will ever get there, and if all my hard work is actually worth anything at all. Its like an iceberg that I am trying to break with a hair.
 
Well I'd say count yourself lucky! (WARNING: rant coming up...!)

I used to have anorexia, BMI 14, did get lower. Recovered and lost weight twice after the first bout, two of those were due to bulimia mixed with anorexia, one down to anorexia alone so I do know have experience on me losing weight as I have done it before.

Yet here I am, 10 years after my first recovery and my weight all of a sudden within a year jumped from a BMI 16 to a now BMI 23. This happened 2 years ago and ever since I have been trying to get it to a level I can tolerate: BMI 20.

Now I know I have my work cut out for me, I am older, both my parents are overweight (one is obese) so I knew it was going to be hard from the offset.

I wanted to do it all properly, you know, reduce, eat even portions, good nutrition and plenty of exercise, I saw a dietition as well as doing my won research, first thing was to eat protein. Only my weight just kept climbing up and up. so I did the only thing I knew how to do, cut out food groups, keep myself locked to the treadmill (despite injury) and monitor everything I do.

So far I have cut out all carbs besides my 30g of porridge oats every morning, cut out all dairy, all red meat, all alcohol, any and all junk food, sweets, chocolate rice cakes included, all sugar. I do eat fruit but only eat apples and once a week strawberrys. I allow myself 1800kcals a day as I cannot actually get lower then that, I exercise 1-2 hours per day with a rest day where I walk alot (no car, no bike) and another rest day where I do powerplate and weights so I consider myself active hence I think the difficulty in keeping the calories lower then they are.

So am losing weight? are my clothes fitting better? do I feel better within myself?

Nope. Infact if anything clothes feel a little tighter. I do not weigh myself, too scared of what it says, I go by dress size, how lose things fit and so far, years on, clothes do not fit....they are too tight.

So I am now thinking I have messed up my body, its ability to lose weight and I am stuck at a steadily growing BMI which one day could be obese. It scares me, it makes me feel despondant, it depresses me.

I would love to be able to get at a maintanance level and wonder how to maintain. Instead I am wondering if I will ever get there, and if all my hard work is actually worth anything at all. Its like an iceberg that I am trying to break with a hair.

Wow, your message really touched me. I really feel for you. Its so annoying and depressing, no? You've really taken out all the indulgent things out of your diet, you work out enormous amounts, yet the BMI is slowly going up.
It is entirely possible that given all of your training and hard work, you are putting on muscle. Muscular people always have a higher BMI than non muscular, the BMI isnt' always the greatest way to monitor your progress.
Have you ever had your fat percentage accurately measured? I reckon that is more important than anything. If your body is nice and hard, muscular and toned, then it doens't matter so much if the clothes are tight. If you are flabby and untoned then it doesn't look as nice. I reckon you should investigate your fat quantity, that might boost you a little.

My messed up obsession is not BMI, its actual body mass. If I go up even 1lb, which of course I do when I menstruate (I actually go up 5lbs, its crazy), then I fall into a deep dark depression. The weight drops off 8 days later, but it still really messes me up.

I think the fact that little things like a jump in body mass or BMI can affect someone so severely may be indicative of some deeper more core problem. I'm actually in therapy,just started a month ago, for dealing with various issues, mostly emotional abuse as a child from my parents (which led to my weight issues) and I'm hoping it will help me not go into a ridiculous depression when my next menstrual cycle comes and I gain that stupid 5lbs.

I'm sorry about your anorexia in the past, sounds like you had a very hard time. I think a lot of weight related issues have a deeper core element and once that core element is rectified, then everything else can potentially fall into place.

But in the mean time, seriously, get your fat measured coz I reckon that might show you how brilliantly you are doing relative to BMI measurements.

I don't eat carbs either....nightmare at first, but now its easy. Only on down days do I want to stuff my face, most of the time I'm ok. I was deffo on a down day when i posted my message. Today I'm better. I'm very affected by hormones, it really pisses me off.

You know what helps too? I found it really boosted me to stop concentrating on what I look like, and start concentrating on how awesome and strong my body is. Down days with hormone issues are bad and thats how I try to get through them. I do a lot of yoga and if I can hold some wacky pose really well, it boosts me. On weights days, if I can press and pull more than usual, that boosts me. I think, ok , my ass is still big, but damn, I'm strong!

But yeah, I feel your frustration, I was once thin before and put on weigth slowly, then had my kids. The putting weight on slowly process was painful and very demotivating. You just have to be strong and find mechanisms of getting through it. You will get through it. If I could, anyone could. My ass was so big at one point, I could not fit into the seats on the underground train here in Hong Kong. Now its fine. You'll get there. It will happen.

X
 
I'm pretty much resigned to the fact that if I want to be thin I can never eat junk food again.

I think people like us have to fight it because we have a different attitude toward food. Some people just aren't interested in food the way overweight people are. They are able to have a small piece of desert and stop, and not have to fight it. They naturally end up eating maintenance calories.

It's just like some people can have a glass of wine occasionally and others become alcoholics.

I totally agree. Completely. I can never eat the way I used to. never never never. Sometimes it pisses me off, othertimes I think, well starving people in 3rd world countries can't eat what they want, they deal with it, then so should I , stop being so spoilt, etc.
Yes I do admire people that I literally totally satisfied with eating one cookie. I however cannot do this, its either no cookies or....the whole pack. So utlimately I go with no cookies. One day I hope to have the strength to only have that one damn cookie.
:)
 
Wow, your message really touched me. I really feel for you. Its so annoying and depressing, no? You've really taken out all the indulgent things out of your diet, you work out enormous amounts, yet the BMI is slowly going up.
It is entirely possible that given all of your training and hard work, you are putting on muscle. Muscular people always have a higher BMI than non muscular, the BMI isnt' always the greatest way to monitor your progress.
Have you ever had your fat percentage accurately measured? I reckon that is more important than anything. If your body is nice and hard, muscular and toned, then it doens't matter so much if the clothes are tight. If you are flabby and untoned then it doesn't look as nice. I reckon you should investigate your fat quantity, that might boost you a little.

My messed up obsession is not BMI, its actual body mass. If I go up even 1lb, which of course I do when I menstruate (I actually go up 5lbs, its crazy), then I fall into a deep dark depression. The weight drops off 8 days later, but it still really messes me up.

I think the fact that little things like a jump in body mass or BMI can affect someone so severely may be indicative of some deeper more core problem. I'm actually in therapy,just started a month ago, for dealing with various issues, mostly emotional abuse as a child from my parents (which led to my weight issues) and I'm hoping it will help me not go into a ridiculous depression when my next menstrual cycle comes and I gain that stupid 5lbs.

I'm sorry about your anorexia in the past, sounds like you had a very hard time. I think a lot of weight related issues have a deeper core element and once that core element is rectified, then everything else can potentially fall into place.

But in the mean time, seriously, get your fat measured coz I reckon that might show you how brilliantly you are doing relative to BMI measurements.

I don't eat carbs either....nightmare at first, but now its easy. Only on down days do I want to stuff my face, most of the time I'm ok. I was deffo on a down day when i posted my message. Today I'm better. I'm very affected by hormones, it really pisses me off.

You know what helps too? I found it really boosted me to stop concentrating on what I look like, and start concentrating on how awesome and strong my body is. Down days with hormone issues are bad and thats how I try to get through them. I do a lot of yoga and if I can hold some wacky pose really well, it boosts me. On weights days, if I can press and pull more than usual, that boosts me. I think, ok , my ass is still big, but damn, I'm strong!

But yeah, I feel your frustration, I was once thin before and put on weigth slowly, then had my kids. The putting weight on slowly process was painful and very demotivating. You just have to be strong and find mechanisms of getting through it. You will get through it. If I could, anyone could. My ass was so big at one point, I could not fit into the seats on the underground train here in Hong Kong. Now its fine. You'll get there. It will happen.

X

Thanks, that was a really nice reply!

Your right with the core issues- am also in therapy, have been for a while, its something that really makes a difference but is hard work!

Wish I could attribute it to muscle gain but things around my body have gotten more squidgy rather then toned, I don't look muscular at all and infact have since gaining weight, developed cellulite I didn't ever have before, I was 27 when my weight shot up so by no means is the cellulite a pubity issue, its just one of life's sick jokes, I was better off in an emaciated body maybe! Its very difficult as no matter what I try, clothes become tigher around the waist and thigh- somewhere that muscle cannot really account for is my stomach and back and upper arm/bust area. I can easily "pinch" this and am seeing this as fat rather then muscle as it is not toned. Its gutting, I now do not have mirrors inside the house aside from a small face sized one to put make up on with. Anyway- I'll shut up now!!

I did get my fat measured about a year and a half ago, I was much more toned back then, they used one of those electrical current machines and it told me I had 27% body fat. This upset me as I was a dress size or two smaller then I am now yet according to the machine I had too much body fat- yet back then (and even now) I calorie count, I don't even eat fats!

I later found out that the machines are not very good to use as they can read water as body fat, they also are aimed more at men as when measuring women they only take into account the upper body (I do alot of running, cycling/spinning, elliptical, stepper machines..etc) and am fairly good at them. The machine read a current through my arms and my bust, of course its going to have a high heart reading! I did hear others talking about their reading in the changing room though, none had as high a reading as 27%.

The best way to read body fat is through the good old fashioned callipers, but aside from my gym not offering them, they require a trained physician/personal trainer to use them and I cannot afford either. Am also kind of too chicken too- I got so upset over the last reading when I was slimmer, hearing an even worse one would no doubt affect me in a similar way.

I hope I get to where I want to be, am really pulling out all the stops this time! Hope you get there too.
 
Thanks, that was a really nice reply!

Your right with the core issues- am also in therapy, have been for a while, its something that really makes a difference but is hard work!

Wish I could attribute it to muscle gain but things around my body have gotten more squidgy rather then toned, I don't look muscular at all and infact have since gaining weight, developed cellulite I didn't ever have before, I was 27 when my weight shot up so by no means is the cellulite a pubity issue, its just one of life's sick jokes, I was better off in an emaciated body maybe! Its very difficult as no matter what I try, clothes become tigher around the waist and thigh- somewhere that muscle cannot really account for is my stomach and back and upper arm/bust area. I can easily "pinch" this and am seeing this as fat rather then muscle as it is not toned. Its gutting, I now do not have mirrors inside the house aside from a small face sized one to put make up on with. Anyway- I'll shut up now!!

I did get my fat measured about a year and a half ago, I was much more toned back then, they used one of those electrical current machines and it told me I had 27% body fat. This upset me as I was a dress size or two smaller then I am now yet according to the machine I had too much body fat- yet back then (and even now) I calorie count, I don't even eat fats!

I later found out that the machines are not very good to use as they can read water as body fat, they also are aimed more at men as when measuring women they only take into account the upper body (I do alot of running, cycling/spinning, elliptical, stepper machines..etc) and am fairly good at them. The machine read a current through my arms and my bust, of course its going to have a high heart reading! I did hear others talking about their reading in the changing room though, none had as high a reading as 27%.

The best way to read body fat is through the good old fashioned callipers, but aside from my gym not offering them, they require a trained physician/personal trainer to use them and I cannot afford either. Am also kind of too chicken too- I got so upset over the last reading when I was slimmer, hearing an even worse one would no doubt affect me in a similar way.

I hope I get to where I want to be, am really pulling out all the stops this time! Hope you get there too.

I have never gotten my fat measured using the good old fashioned calipers, but it sounds like fun, kind of. Would be interesting to find the most accurate way.

I hear you regarding any type of reading affecting you, i.e. fat mass, body mass. Especially when you are putting in a lot of effort, its not like you are sitting on your butt stuffing your face and watching telly all day. Very frustrating.

At one point I was convinced I was hypothyroid, and figured this may be why I struggle so much and am constantly battling with the weight, sadly, after the test, I was not. I say sadly becuase I was kinda hoping I was, then they could give me drugs to stablise my thryoid levels, then the pounds could drop off. Instead I had to eat less and exercise more, alas there is no easy way!! Pain in the arse or what?

Have you considered, given how much exercise you do and how you control your diet, that you may possibly be hypothyroid? It involves a simple blood test. May be worth checking out, because it doesn't make sense that you are putting on more fat despite your hard work and efforts.

If you dont' mind my asking, how are your menstrual cycles? If they are all over the place, it is possible that you may have some sort of hormonal imbalance which may attribute to unnecessary weight gain. I was diagnosed with polycystic ovarian syndrome years back and it was explained to me as the "fat, hairy woman's disease". I am hairy as hell, to be honest, am undergoing laser hair removal treatment now, bloody painful I tell you, but they said you do definitely have to work significantly harder at weight management due to the excess of testosterone in your system.

It may put your mind at rest to get this sort of thing investigated. If you speak with your GP, I am sure they can help you and it shouldnt' be too expensive, might well be free if you are UK based.

If after everything, you are in tip top health and without any issues, then its time to re-evaluate your program and your nutrition.

Hope that helps a little, just keep at it in the meantime. When do you have your meals, by the way? Might be an idea to eat dinner a little earlier, I find late dinners wreak havoc with weight gain....

:)
 
Well It is entirely possible that given all of your training and hard work, you are putting on muscle. Muscular people always have a higher BMI than non muscular, the BMI isnt' always the greatest way to monitor your progress.
 
I feel for you, It always seems like there is another mountian to climb, or days when you dont want to get up and do it all over again. You walk down the street, and see some skinny guy eating a cheeseburger. I have a lot of friends like that. They eat whatever they want, I know I am in better shape than they are, but I have to bust my @ss for it. Tooth and nail my way to looking good. It sucks but then there are times when it all makes sense. You feel good about the hard work you put in. Knowing you did not quit.
 
I feel for you, It always seems like there is another mountian to climb, or days when you dont want to get up and do it all over again. You walk down the street, and see some skinny guy eating a cheeseburger. I have a lot of friends like that. They eat whatever they want, I know I am in better shape than they are, but I have to bust my @ss for it. Tooth and nail my way to looking good. It sucks but then there are times when it all makes sense. You feel good about the hard work you put in. Knowing you did not quit.

Hey, sweet message, made me feel better. It does feel good to know that you did it and you did not quit. It really does. But today for example I am so shattered, kids kept me up all weekend, they're going through some period with lots of nightmares so I look and feel like hell. I'm sitting here at work, dreading my lunchtime workout, as I know I have to do intervals on the treadmill as well as weights. I would much rather be hit on the head, and then go lie in bed with some wine and a few cigarettes and possibly some chocolate spread with a spoon, so you know, I can eat it like a yoghurt.

But unfortunately this is not gonna happen! Bummer!!!

Do you reckon random skinny people who do nothing to stay slim look at us and laugh, going hah hah, look at you suffering, i just sit here and look this good. Hmmmm...I dunno. Maybe to them, food is just fuel, there are no emotional triggers that make them eat. Lucky little monkeys!

Thanks again.
:)
 
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