Last weeks exercise = no weight loss!?

edinburgh1975

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Hi guys n gals, this is my first post on ere so be gentle :)

Im male, 34yo, 6ft3, I started back at the gym on Jan 3rd this year to lose weight as I had balooned to 99.6kg! Things have been going rather well, as at today I am 85kg... I started off doing 3 gym sessions per week (1hour 15mins cardio and 20mins strength), more cardio cos I wanna lose the weight before I tone up.

About 4 weeks ago I booked a holiday with friends, so in preperation for the beach I have started to do 5 seesions per week, 3 x what I wrote above and 2 x 1hour15mins cardio sessions inbetween. My aim was to lose about 1kg (2.2lb) per week, but 2 weeks ago I was shocked when I had lost about 2.5kg - 5lb ish... this week I had done 6 x gym sessions + 1 fitness class, and didn't make ANY gain or loss in weight which has really confussed me.

My diet is aimed at around 1500calories per day, 15g sat fat and 150 carbs ( I usually fail on the carbs though!) - The only difference in the 2 weeks is that I went out for a drink with friends, but I still added that to my diet plan and was only around 1000carories over for that day, my my question is, why did I lose 5lb one week, and 0lb the following week, even though I did more exercise? I can't see it being anything to do with muscle gain cos the difference is so much, so if anyone has any ideas on why the human body acts like this, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!!

Thanks ppl :)
 
Hi guys n gals, this is my first post on ere so be gentle :)

Im male, 34yo, 6ft3, I started back at the gym on Jan 3rd this year to lose weight as I had balooned to 99.6kg! Things have been going rather well, as at today I am 85kg... I started off doing 3 gym sessions per week (1hour 15mins cardio and 20mins strength), more cardio cos I wanna lose the weight before I tone up.

About 4 weeks ago I booked a holiday with friends, so in preperation for the beach I have started to do 5 seesions per week, 3 x what I wrote above and 2 x 1hour15mins cardio sessions inbetween. My aim was to lose about 1kg (2.2lb) per week, but 2 weeks ago I was shocked when I had lost about 2.5kg - 5lb ish... this week I had done 6 x gym sessions + 1 fitness class, and didn't make ANY gain or loss in weight which has really confussed me.

My diet is aimed at around 1500calories per day, 15g sat fat and 150 carbs ( I usually fail on the carbs though!) - The only difference in the 2 weeks is that I went out for a drink with friends, but I still added that to my diet plan and was only around 1000carories over for that day, my my question is, why did I lose 5lb one week, and 0lb the following week, even though I did more exercise? I can't see it being anything to do with muscle gain cos the difference is so much, so if anyone has any ideas on why the human body acts like this, I WOULD LOVE TO HEAR FROM YOU!!!

Thanks ppl :)

You must have eaten more calories than you burned. No other way to get past it. Chances are you are underestimating your calorie intake. We all do it.
 
nah not at all, I keep a daily count on EVERYTHING I consume, and if anything I overestimate if I don't have precise figures to work with, I certainly didn't over consume enough to negate a loss of 5lb esp after doing 1 gym and 1 fitness class more than the previous week, really dosen't make any sense to me :(
 
It's science. I know it is hard to listen to but there really isn't another answer. It's ok, but it's the answer. The body can only burn fuel from two sources: The food you eat and your body. Weight loss is when your body drops doesn't have enough food so it basicly eats itself. When you have more calories than you need, it becomes fat.


This is a simplistic way but it's true. You didn't lose any weight. Some of that might be muscle growth but the rest is because you had an equal balance between need and have.
 
nah not at all, I keep a daily count on EVERYTHING I consume, and if anything I overestimate if I don't have precise figures to work with, I certainly didn't over consume enough to negate a loss of 5lb esp after doing 1 gym and 1 fitness class more than the previous week, really dosen't make any sense to me :(

Weight loss is not linear, just because you burn 3500 calories one week does not mean you will instantly weigh a pound less the next week, it takes the body time to adapt and respond and there are many other factors such as water weight that need to be taken into account too.
 
I can't really explain the science behind it - I'm sure someone reading this will. I just know personally that salt affects my weight - holds on to the water. Next time make sure to watch the salt the day before the weigh-in. I take a b6 vitamin the day before my weigh-in which is supposed to flush it all out - works for me anyway.
 
Ah ok, im a sucker for adding salt when cooking, and even putting more on after... Another area of my diet i will have to change then, defo worth a shot, thanks for the info ppl :)
 
Even though I am more inclined to believe Tamago and Jericho are more correct then what I am going to say, I felt the need to point it out.

The only difference in the 2 weeks is that I went out for a drink with friends, but I still added that to my diet plan and was only around 1000carories over for that day, my my question is, why did I lose 5lb one week, and 0lb the following week, even though I did more exercise?

nah not at all, I keep a daily count on EVERYTHING I consume, and if anything I overestimate...(

Is it not possible that perhaps you DID consume far less calories on the week you showed weight loss? You said yourself you over estimate. A few calories here and there add up. Maybe on the second week you were just much closer with your estimates?

And yes, before anyone points it out I understand an over estimate on calories for 5 pounds of weight loss is over 17,000 calories. LoL. :rolleyes:

I'm just trying to point out that, like Tamago said, there are many factors when it comes to actually showing a loss in weight.
 
I agree with chubbygirl (even though you look great). The salt is my weakness too. I love the taste of salt especially when in excess. I have begun to take aim at this weakness. I do this by using other spices since I like taste. Today for instance i microwaved some raw broccoli and added lemon juice, oregano and basil. Really spruces up the taste and makes want to eat it. I did add a pinch of salt but much less than before.
 
Aside from what Tamago said about fat loss not being linear (which is true), let me give you my two cents in the form of another explanation why your body can respond like this...

(Sorry if it's going to be a bit of a long post, but I believe this can help...)

First of all, in a nutshell, it's true that you may have taken in more calories than you might have burned, but the story is not as simple as that, and that's simultaneously the whole crux if trying to lose weight.

The thing is that the body is an intelligent device that can adapt to the circumstances it's exposed to.

For example, if you start a diet and take less calories than you're actually burning up, your body basically thinks:

" Good lord... there might be a period of famine coming up. I'd better take some measures to ensure survival and sustain myself."

(This is obviously a completely subconscious line of thinking that stems from the time that we were still cavemen...)

Anyway, the way your body adjusts is as follows:

- First of all, it'll start burning up some stored fat to compensate for the energy shortage. But the body knows that's not a sustainable measure. After all, it would only takes so long for all the storages to be burned up, and what to do after that? No, it thinks it needs to take more drastic measures...

- So what it'll try to do, is to ensure that it starts burning LESS calories on average, so that it needs less energy to sustain itself, and so it could survive on less (after all, there's famine coming up).

- This means it needs to get rid of inefficient stuff that basically only wastes energy. The first type of tissue that will be broken down is muscle mass. The body can probably do on less, other systems (like organs) are more essential, and besides, muscle mass burns up a lot of energy. So with long-term survival in mind, it's a good idea to get rid of this first.

- The consequence is, as was also the plan of this approach, that your body now burns LESS calories on average. In other words, its base metabolic rate has decreased, and is more or less adjusted to the level of energy input (the number of calories you get from your food).

- And so it thinks: job well done, survival ensured.

Now that's all fine and dandy and a nice mechanism when there's indeed famine coming up, but the truth is, that that's not the case. There's no famine, you just want to burn up your energy reserves (i.e. lose fat).

So here's what happened to you:

- Your body has adjusted to your impulse.

- You've put in in "starvation mode", because you're giving yourself way too little calories for longer periods of time.

- To make things worse (and don't get me wrong, because no offense is intended...), you're doing way too much cardio. With that much cardio, you may be burning up fatty acids, but you're also starting to break down lean tissue.

(Take a look at the appearance of marathon runners for example... That's what happens to your lean mass with a LOT (perhaps too much) lower-to-medium intensity and long cardio).

So here's what you can do about this in my opinion:

1. With regard to exercise:

- Do more weight training at the expense of cardio. Make weight training your foundation. It'll maintain or even grow your muscle mass, which means you'll increase your base metabolic rate (you'll burn more calories all the time, even when you sleep). Besides, weight training has a greater 'afterburn' effect than relatively low intensity cardio. And in addition, it'll improve your appearance and strength.

Do this at least 3 times a week, and I'd go for 45 minutes or something. Don't do any of that crap with too many repetitions. Anything between 6-12 reps will work, just use some variation.

Do this first. Later on you can add some other elements with supersetting and some other tricks. But let's save that for later.

- You're obviously willing to put in a lot of effort, which is awesome. In addition to the weight training, feel free to add cardio. But no more 1 hour and 15 minute sessions. It's simply not efficient, but not even very effective either (as you've seen).

I'd go for 45 minutes max. I'm not sure what kind of intensity you're using now (I'm guessing relatively low or moderate, since you're going for so long).

Something I personally used to great success is this:

- 30 minute sessions
- 4 minutes moderate intensity (70% - 75% of max heart rate)
- 30 seconds to 1 minute of high intensity (sprint).

You can apply this to various machines or forms of cardio.

The sprints will be tough, but you'll get back on track during the 4 minutes of moderate intensity.

The advantage is this:

- It takes less time.
- It's not as mentally exhausting as HIIT.
- You'll both burn a lot of calories during your session, as well as for hours afterwards, because of the high intensity elements (sprints).

You can do this for 45 minutes as well.

If it's too intense, you can spread the sprints more widely and take more minutes at moderate intensity. But try to build up and make it more intense over time.

But remember, this is *in addition to* strength training as a basis.

2. Nutrition:

- Obviously, focus on whole foods.

- Do a couple of days at lower calorie levels.

- But don't give your body the opportunity to adjust because it thinks periods of famine are coming up. That means that you don't stay in dietary calorie deficit too long. The way you do that is simply take a day every now and then on which you eat even a *surplus* of calories.

Don't overdo it of course, but some more calories won't hurt. After all, you're exercising a lot, so overall, you'll still stay in energy deficit because of all the work you do.

But most of all, your body will think that there's plenty of food available, and thus that it's safe to keep burning calories and maybe even adjust up (by increasing muscle mass a bit (although this doesn't really happen that much when you're in a calorie deficit).

Anyway, this way you can keep burning fat. You're simply not giving your body the chance to adapt. So you can keep creating energy deficits by design, and force your body to apply its energy reserves.

For example, you eat 3 consecutive days low in calories and create an energy deficit, and 1 day higher in calories and create an energy surplus. Or you do 5 consecutive days in deficit, and 2 consecutive days in surplus.

Overall, you're in deficit for much longer than in surplus, so the net effect is that you lose fat.

Here's something important to remember:

Don't take a 'day-by-day' approach to creating calorie deficits. Take an approach that uses a period of a week.

For example, let's say my "maintenance" level of calories is 2500 calories a day. That means to not gain fat and not lose fat, I can have 2500 x 7 = 17,500 cal.

Now let's say I eat like this (while also doing the exercise as above of course):

Monday: 1700 cal
Tuesday: 1700 cal
W'day: 1700 cal
Thursday: 3000 cal
Friday: 1700 cal
Saturday: 1700 cal
Sunday: 3000 cal

Week's total: 14,500 cal

Over the course of a week, I have now created an energy deficit of 3,000 calories through diet alone. That's more than 1 lbs of fat.

Any calorie expenditure from exercise and other activity that I add to that is added benefit, and will be taken from my fat, particularly when I'm maintaining muscle mass through strength training.

And the best thing is, that I'm not giving my body the chance to adapt. So I can go on and on like this, until I'm satisfied with my results.

All I need to make sure is that I keep giving my body incentives through exercise as well.

Whereas if you create a daily calorie deficit and keep it like that, your body will eventually adapt to that, as explained above... which means that your fat loss will come to a halt, but not just that, but even worse:

Your body is burning less calories to begin with, so it's far easier to get into an energy surplus again... which as you know very well results in fat storage... which is the very thing you don't want.

So this is an explanation of why your body can respond like that.

Obviously, the above requires that about 90% of the food you eat comes from whole sources that your body responds well to. This scheme doesn't work if you're feeding your body junk predominantly.

However, on the 'higher calorie days', you could add a meal with some junk.

That'll help you mentally to keep up with your plan. And besides, this allows you to plan times that you can loosen up on your nutrition plan when you know it's going to be hard.

For example, plan your drinking with friends on a day like this. Believe it or not, but it might even work in your benefit this way.

Anyway, this approach works for me...

There are some tricks to add to this, but it's best to start with the basic idea first and then optimize as you go.

Hope this made any sense... ;-)
 
hanknicholson - Thank you so much!!!!

That's exactly the kind of information I was looking for, and also kinda had some in the back of my head, but i'm no expert in human biology so wasn't sure. We all know the body is a complex thing, and I was hoping that it might be my body reaction to the new diet and exercise.

This also comes at perfect timing, cos this weekend I am looking to make a new plan for diet and exercise, which included's doing alot more strength training now im getting closer to losing the body fat, shame im better at endurance than strength :p

Im planning to do 6 sessions per week (mainly because im going on a beach holiday in 7 weeks) then when i return knock it down to 4 sessions per week. I was going to do 40mins cross trainer / 30 mins bike and 30mins weights each session but I will take your advice and replace the bike with more weights if I can.

I am also looking to change my eating schedule, at present I eat "3 meals per day" but after some online research I think I will try 5 smaller meals spaced 3 hours apart as this will help with my metabolism right?

Am example of what I am having today is

9am: Wholegrain Fruit and Fiber
12pm: 2 pieces of toast topped with humus and 3 slices of tomatoes and cucumber on top (yummy) :p
3pm: Bowl of Soup
6pm: Fish
9pm: Some boiled potate and veg

Also, would you reccomend me taking any protein shake before or after the gym? I know the body likes protein after a workout so im tempted to try it out, but I noticed that some also come with carbs as the body will burn the carbs before taking energy from the muscles, but I guess they need to be taken beofre rather than after? Or should I just go for a whey protein shake after?

I'll have another read of what you posted before I figure out all the new changes I will make, but i am really appreciative of the time you have taken for the detailed reply, THANK YOU!
 
Thank Hank. Let me respond to Hank's response. Starvation Mode is when you get less than 50% the calories your body needs. So for a guy edinurgh1975's age that would mean 50% of about a 3,000 calorie body need (or you can use an equation or calculator to figure out what your basal metabolic rate (BMR) is), which would be 1,500 calories. For instance for my age, weight and height, my BMR is 1,874.5 which means that is what my body burns in the course of a day for energy balance (maintaining weight). I would have to eat 937 calories in one day, which would make me very grumpy.

Edinburgh1975, Would you say you eat 1,500 calories per day or less? Or, check out your BMR at a calculator and find out what it is. 50%iof that is your starvation transition point. If you are not at that level, then you are not in starvation mode.

Check out this well-researched article on . I have no connection with this article at all, so I hope the moderator goes easy on me. This article is based on a report of 36 healthy psychologically normal young men in 1950. In this article, it states:

"Lean individuals lost great amounts of fat-free, lean tissue during starvation, but obese individuals lost much more fat tissue. Obese individuals have a mechanism that conserves lean mass and burns fat instead."

"And the loss of lean mass is not as critical to the obese person as to the lean person simply because an obese person has more lean mass than a person of the same age and height but normal weight."

I am not saying edinburgh1975 is obese, it is just the language in this article as they left no middle ground for just overweight.

"Yes, their metabolic rates were significantly lowered -- to something like 40% below baseline. Yet at no point did the men stop losing fat until they hit 5% body fat at the end of the study."

So I guess I agree with Hank on maintaining fitness on building strength, but I would not be overly concerned about the intake being too low.
 
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Well, that depends on how you look at it. Because part of the road to fat loss success is sticking with the longer term plan:

Did the Minnesota men suffer negative consequences from the experience. They most certainly did, and, interestingly, many of the same consequences that anorexics experience.

Starting to feel like crap is a reason for many to quit the whole thing too. Ideally, while there's some work required, you also want to make it the sort of experience that keeps your energy up, includes some form of regular pleasure (so don't have to diet strictly 100% of the time) to stay fresh mentally, while still getting results.

And besides, the truth is that the body will adapt over time to a lower energy input, whether that fits the 'official' definition of 'starvation' or not. While this doesn't have to imply that you don't get any results at all, it does imply that getting results gets a lot harder... which is what our friend edinburgh1975 seems to be experiencing.

Anyway, edinburgh1975 (for the sake of simplicity I'll call you "Ed" ;-))... in response to some other things you said:

I am also looking to change my eating schedule, at present I eat "3 meals per day" but after some online research I think I will try 5 smaller meals spaced 3 hours apart as this will help with my metabolism right?

Definitely! Eat breakfast and then try to eat something every 3 hours after that on average. Best make sure you add a source of lean protein to every single meal.

Also, would you reccomend me taking any protein shake before or after the gym? I know the body likes protein after a workout so im tempted to try it out, but I noticed that some also come with carbs as the body will burn the carbs before taking energy from the muscles, but I guess they need to be taken beofre rather than after? Or should I just go for a whey protein shake after?

I personally really think this isn't a requirement at all if you eat regularly throughout the day and add a source of lean protein to each meal (to stay in "positive nitrogen balance" as they call it).

You can do a whey protein shake after your weight session if you want, but I'd make sure you don't take one with additional carbs added if fat loss is your goal.

And some more detailed comments to this:

9am: Wholegrain Fruit and Fiber
12pm: 2 pieces of toast topped with humus and 3 slices of tomatoes and cucumber on top (yummy) :p
3pm: Bowl of Soup
6pm: Fish
9pm: Some boiled potate and veg[/QUOTE]

Watch out for added sugar in your breakfast, and make sure you add a protein source. Could be some form of dairy if you tolerate it. Eggs and veggies are a good alternative.

What kind of soup are you eating?

I also wouldn't eat potato and veggies only at night. Again, if you do that, add a protein source (life fish, meat, etc.), which will slow down the starch digestion and as such stabilize your blood sugar.

Again, you can start with relatively small measures like this and then optimize over time as you go or implement some more advanced tricks.

For now, it would be good to eat 5 meals and add a protein source to each of them (and make sure you have a higher calorie day every now and then like I suggested in my previous post).
 
Thought I would update you on what I planned for myself, also gives me somewhere to have it wriitten down :)

Exercise:

6 gym sessions per week (this will drop down to 4/5 sessions in 7 weeks)

2 programs alternated each day.

Day 1

Chest / Back / Shoulders / Legs
8 machines (can't rem the name for each :)
4 x 8-12 reps on each
Took about 50mins to complete
Then 45mins on the cross trainer, 1min sprint - 4mins 70%ish effort
Cardio burns around 680 calories in the 45mins.

Day 2

Biceps / Triceps / Abs - Core
3 different exercises for each of the biceps and triceps
3 x 8-12 reps for each
5 Abs / Core exercises, lasts about 25mins
Total on strength on day 2 was about 1 hour, longer than I expected but it's ok
Then 45mins on the cross trainer, 1min sprint - 4mins 70%ish effort

Diet:

My BMR is 1952 so I am going to aim for 1700 broken up like below:

Mon - 1500
Tue - 2200
Wed - 1500
Thur - 1500
Fri - 1500
Sat - 2200
Sun - 1500

This will be broken up into 5 meals per day, 3 hours apart.

Weekly - 11,900 - Weekly deficit of 1,764 against my BMR

Example of daily meals:

1 - High fiber cerial - Fruit - Yoghurt
2 - Chicken / Turkey sarnie - Scrambled Egg on Toast - Beans on Toast - Soup (lentil or 3 bean)
3 - Protein Shake
4 - Tuna / Cheese Salad - Chic, Turkey, Burger (treat day) with veg or salad - White Fish Spuds and Veg - Omelette
5 - Yougurt - Soup - Peanuts - Sarnie

Above are just examples, ill prob need to throw another meal in there on the days where I need to get 2200 calories.

And that's it all, hanknicholson if you read this let me know what ya think and if any area need any tweaks :)

I do have 1 question though, how much protein should I be aiming for? Had a look at some sites and some suggest 70g, but as I will be at the gym 6 days a week others suggest around 120g!! I think 100g will be achievable once I get into the swing of it.

:)
 
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Sounds like you're doing a lot to get to where you to be. There could be a lot of factors in why you haven't showed any progress, water, food intake, etc.

Maybe plan out a longer period of time, a few months worth to see the progress and measure it from there.
 
Looks pretty good at first sight.

Try this for a couple of weeks and measure your progress. Since you're doing a lot of exercise as well, it's a good idea to measure body fat too aside from the scale alone.

Take a picture of yourself now, and every four weeks. That gives you another 'objective' point of view to measure your progress.

There are always things to tweak, but you need a good place to start first and then see how your body responds to that. If you start losing *fat* again, that's great.

You really seem to put a lot of effort into this, so you should be able to make this work. If this doesn't get the fat loss going in two weeks or so, there will be other things to try :)

Anyway, make sure that you get sufficient time to rest as well. Like I said, you're really doing a *lot* of exercise.
 
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