ITT Ryan Blasphemes the Name of the Texas Barbell

Squats don't cure cancer, and, in my experience, should not be readily prescribed to beginners whose background is middle-aged middle-class office-worker with mortgage, 2.1 kids, a tyre swing in the front yard and no history of training for the last 20 years. People who don't know how to move their bodies suck at squatting, and need to learn how to move in order to do even vaguely passable squats.

Leg presses teach you foot positions, to drive your feet and knees out, and to use the glutes, hamstrings and quadriceps.

Calf raises teach you bar placement. Gastrocnemius, the upper-most superficial calf muscle, just jack diddley squat during squats. Squats do not give you big calves, calf raises give you big calves.

Hyperextensions teach you glute drive and to keep your chest up, core tight and torso in a rigid position, thus hinging at the hips rather than rounding the lower back to bend over. Most people associate hyperextensions with hyperextending the lower back. Don't do this. Keep the back rigid. However, there is something that should get hyperextended (assuming your body is in good, working order), and that's your hip. Your hips should normally be able to hyperextend by 10-15 degrees, and achieving this hyperextension forcibly will give your glutes a very powerful contraction, which can't be achieved through squats and deadlifts due to ROM restrictions.

In 9 years of training, I have had no experience to suggest that pull ups and barbell rows are superior to lat pull downs and seated rows, yet I have a whole lot of anecdotal evidence that the opposite is true.

Somewhere along the lines, people seem to have gotten it into their heads that barbells and dumbbells = compound and machines = isolation. Thus, according to these people, cable rows and leg presses are isolation exercises. Isolation means it works around a single joint, compound means it works around multiple joints, regardless of whether an exercise is free weight or machine.

The more general an exercise, the less specific it is. That may be obvious, but somehow people manage to ignore the implications here. It means that back squats work the quads, glutes, hamstrings, core and lower back...but lunges and front squats work the quads better, RDLs work the hamstrings and lower back better, hip thrusts work the glutes better, and weighted sit ups work the abs better. General exercises are great at doing a lot of stuff in one fell swoop, while specialised exercises hone in on one or two key things and do them really well. One is not inherently better than the other; both are highly valuable.

To the guys, circuit training won't cause you to grow female sex organs. A well-designed circuit, if geared towards strength/hypertrophy, can have you doing about as much work per exercise as you would otherwise, while getting a handful of exercises done in 10-15min rather than spending 45min on them. An example would be overhead press / row / lateral raise / triceps extension / bicep curl. The big kick here is that volume is one of the key ingredients to hypertrophy, so doing a circuit like the one just stated would leave you open to doing several more exercises within a gym session, accumulating much more volume, thus stimulating lots of growth and strength.

Fitballs and bosus are useful. No really, they are. The world does not revolve around bodybuilding and powerlifting, and even if it did, bodybuilders and powerlifters can use fitballs and bosus productively.

For the last 5 years, I've been told that free weights are better than machines because they work the "stabiliser muscles." No one seems to know what muscles they're referring to when they talk about "stabiliser muscles," and everyone seems to be suppressing the truth that stabilisation is a matter of team-work, not a job left to a certain muscle group.
 
I love this! :)

My input on this is that one should not forget that, while something such as a leg press is not an isolation exercise, it's still closer to an isolation movement in comparison to a squat. (In this example, there is little engagement of the lower leg's peroneal muscles.) That being said, I'll still put someone on the machine, but only second to a standing squat if my client is able to perform one.

In terms of lat pull down/seated row vs. pull ups/barbell row, I would argue that the latter utilizes a greater amount of isometric core contraction to maintain the load. (For instance, the seated exercises might allow a person to muscle through the exercise using mainly the biceps, while the others would seem to require more scapular strength.) Is the training benefit any different in many people? Probably not. But when training someone at a higher level of performance, it might be enough to make a difference.

As for circuit training, I love the way you put that. Myself, I thoroughly enjoy shaming the hell out of meatheads by putting them through as little as a 20-minute circuit workout.

Lastly, I totally agree with the point about freeweights. Definitely, not every exercise with them can regarded as training stability. You'll develop a rotator cuff weakness by doing supine dumb bell presses just as easily as you will by using a machine.
 
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Total lies, there is no way that doing Lat pull downs where you are pulling a bar down to your chin level, using biceps as prime mover and lats as major support is the same as pull ups where you pull your chin up to a bar using the biceps as prime mover and lats as major support. It's totally different as I am sure this paragraph shows.

Free weights are useful in home gym set ups because of flexibility, one bar, some weights, a bench and a cage, loads of possibilities. There is not a single muscle group you can exercise with a barbell that you cannot work using a machine. I prefer free weights most of the time, because there is more challenge and risk to working with them and you have to be that bit more focussed. That said there are times when removing this level of risk has been immensely appreciated too, and I have pushed muscles far more using machines than I would dare using freeweights. Leg press I have loaded to levels that meant I could only complete the lift solo on a good day, other days I needed a few kg of help to do one and a few more to do the next before taking a couple of plates of on break downs. I wouldn't do that on squats because it would risk major injury.

There is more core and postural muscle involvement using free weights on many movements and the imperfections in movements do recruit minority muscles more often than using the strictest machines. This doesn't mean machines are useless, in fact if you are wanting to train a specific muscle group this means they are better. Barbell curl standing, uses, legs, core, back and a few other bits and pieces for fun, prime mover is still biceps, but they aren't alone.
If you want to isolate and be safer, machines are your friend. If you want your body working more as a unit, and to fool yourself that your training is functional, free weights are good.

Circuits are hardly just for the girlies. If you think so I wouldn't advise mentioning it to any of our worlds predominantly male special forces who do massive amounts of them and may not appreciate their gender called into question. You can make them what you want them to be and they can make the fittest of us look like rank amateurs if they are set to our disadvantage.

Anyone wanting the best from their training shouldn't ever dismiss any piece of kit. Most of us have done it, I did with suspension trainers, mainly because I saw them being used to make squats easier etc. When I started to play I realised they can make things a lot harder too. The same goes for bosu, exercise ball, step box, etc. The step box was one I adopted for stiff leg deadlifts after watching someone else using it as a way of extending range of movement by having the bar loaded and step set so the hands could just fit between it and the bar. Do check the weight limit of the kit first before trying this, ours was wooden platform based, easily taking my bodyweight and barbell, and moving only a little with the other guy at nearly twice my weight and with a good bit heavier bar.

Squats for beginners, depends on the beginner, but any good PT will be able to guage this. If they demonstrate no co-ordination and cannot follow instructions don't go there. If they are able to move into the position as if sitting on the toilet without a bar and have good focus on what you are saing, getting them doing an advanced exercise on day 1 will give them a massive confidence boost and they will feel great about themselves, even if the weight was basically a broom handle or the lightest bar you could find.
Setting it as a must, stupid but I am not a fan of banning exercises in general so would say the option should remain. For the record I do know many exercises are not good for people or advisable, so my stance against banning them is flawed, I still don't like it. Life throws unhealty movements at us and being used to somthing similar can be good, but obviously doing the same damaging routine for years is stupid.
 
I've found that the temptation to cheat comes quicker on pull ups than pull downs, if for no other reason than that your starting weight is such a high load that you're instantly in the realm of "oh crap oh crap oh crap just do anything to make the rep happen." When people cheat on pull downs, in my experience it's typically by rounding forwards to let their chest take over. If the gym I'm in had a pull down machine, I'd be doing them all the time, because I've always found it much easier to focus on which muscles I want to pull with. Obviously, if your task is actually doing pull ups, pull ups are probably the superior exercise.

I look back to a lot of the circuits I used to do back in the day, and wonder how I ever managed to do that. Basically, other than the typical rules of minimal rest and use different muscle groups/body parts from exercise to exercise (for a strength-based circuit, anyway), I added in an extra 3 rules: I had to reach failure before I could move onto the next exercise; once I reached failure, I had to keep on trying to get more reps through rest-pause until it was time for the next exercise; and I could only use compound exercises. I've become a real ****y in my old age.

I had a lot of fun writing this up, largely because by virtue of competing in powerlifting and using the internet, I don't get to have opinions in favour of anything other than free weight (and preferably barbell) training, when in reality there is lots of stuff that's good for lots of goals, and even lots of stuff that's good for my goals.
 
I've never used a lot of machines anyway, so I don't have a dog in that fight, but I can say that my lats have made better progress while combining wide-gripping my lighter dead lifts, close-gripping my heaver ones and doing close-grip cable pull-downs than they ever did when I was obsessed with how many wide grip pull-ups I could do while trying to add weight.

I can't say whether my legs have been bigger when using a leg press or squatting. I haven't squatted heavy in a very long time because of the time I took off for elbow injury. I couldn't hold a heavy bar on my shoulders, and I couldn't hold the grips on the leg press to push 600 lbs or so. I would say they were around the same size, but squatting works more, obviously, which is why I switched to doing that exclusively.

One noticeable difference in my body is that when I started out originally, the guy that I was working out with was getting me into a lot of "isolated" stuff. When I say "Isolated", I mean "No squats, dead lifts, cleans, ect", so we were doing a lot of ab work(decline sit-ups, broom sticks, v sit-ups). When I stopped working out with him and got into my routine of deads, bench, squats, cleans, military press, ect, I stopped isolating core work and my stomach is stronger now than it was back then.
 
"As for circuit training, I love the way you put that. Myself, I thoroughly enjoy shaming the hell out of meatheads by putting them through as little as a 20-minute circuit workout".

Unfortunately your shaming would be very short lived at my place. I guareentee you that the so called "meatheads" would need not more than 2 weeks (6 WORKOUTS) to adapt to your circuit training and be working harder than any regular circuit trainer you have... BUT I bet it would take you and your circuit trainers at least 6 months of hard work to squat 2 1/2 times their bodyweight...

One other thing I feel is relevant to this thread... muscular hypertrophy is not based on what exercises you perform but on the 2 principals of Over Load and Over Compensation. No matter what exercise you perform if your over taxing the muscle properly and eating correctly the muscle WILL grow. The fact that many exercises are better at creating this overload is well and scientifically documented. Its why people that have never really trained are perceived as "grow like a a weed" types.
 
"As for circuit training, I love the way you put that. Myself, I thoroughly enjoy shaming the hell out of meatheads by putting them through as little as a 20-minute circuit workout".

Unfortunately your shaming would be very short lived at my place. I guareentee you that the so called "meatheads" would need not more than 2 weeks (6 WORKOUTS) to adapt to your circuit training and be working harder than any regular circuit trainer you have... BUT I bet it would take you and your circuit trainers at least 6 months of hard work to squat 2 1/2 times their bodyweight...
The only thing that would allow such results is if the only thing standing between your guys and success on a given circuit is aerobic conditioning, of the same degree gained by anyone doing the circuit for 2 weeks. You're making some very bold (and ultimately false) assumptions about the parameters that do/don't fall under circuit training if you're making that conclusion.

Are you suggesting that the people at your gym regularly take less than 6 months from starting to get to the point of squatting 2.5xBW? And if so, what parameters are we abiding by? Got any videos?
One other thing I feel is relevant to this thread... muscular hypertrophy is not based on what exercises you perform but on the 2 principals of Over Load and Over Compensation. No matter what exercise you perform if your over taxing the muscle properly and eating correctly the muscle WILL grow. The fact that many exercises are better at creating this overload is well and scientifically documented. Its why people that have never really trained are perceived as "grow like a a weed" types.
Agreed entirely.
 
"As for circuit training, I love the way you put that. Myself, I thoroughly enjoy shaming the hell out of meatheads by putting them through as little as a 20-minute circuit workout".

Unfortunately your shaming would be very short lived at my place. I guareentee you that the so called "meatheads" would need not more than 2 weeks (6 WORKOUTS) to adapt to your circuit training and be working harder than any regular circuit trainer you have... BUT I bet it would take you and your circuit trainers at least 6 months of hard work to squat 2 1/2 times their bodyweight...

One other thing I feel is relevant to this thread... muscular hypertrophy is not based on what exercises you perform but on the 2 principals of Over Load and Over Compensation. No matter what exercise you perform if your over taxing the muscle properly and eating correctly the muscle WILL grow. The fact that many exercises are better at creating this overload is well and scientifically documented. Its why people that have never really trained are perceived as "grow like a a weed" types.


I should clarify this. I primarily train athletes, so by "meatheads", I tend to refer to those athletes who should, arguably, be accustomed to circuit-type drills, but instead have spent their off-season and most of pre-season working out like bodybuilders. (It's just a pet peeve I have when athletes train too much like this, because they often end up wrecking their performance ability.) For instance, the time that I brought in a team of football players to train with my track athletes, it was a big ego-trip as soon as the football guys learned to stop laughing at the idea of working out with runners.
 
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Not sure what the term meathead refers to in the minds of others but to me it is those who consistantly use brawn without brains in their training. We all occasionally do it but true meathead does nothing else.

I have taught a variety of different training which has included a range of circuits. The thing I love with them is no matter how great someone is you can find a circuit that will make them look pathetic if they want you to. Most don't, sensibly enough, so you set them up stuff that is just set for standard overload and watch them struggle but complete the workout.
People I have used circuits on have included local football (soccer) teams, care home residents and strength athletes. The fact that they were given very different styled circuits will not suprise you but the cross over between the last two likely would. Both pensioners and strength athletes were often in command circuits enabling me to observe them all doing the same for safety, there were rests to allow recovery, movements were slow and controlled a lot of the time, the differences were generally the equipment, I never managed to see opportunity to have pensioners carrying large dumbbells and none of the strength trainers were interested in using wheelchair ramps.

Most think circuits mean low intensity, which it can be, but so can weight training.

I know some incredibly built guys who lift less than I do on squats and deadlift, they don't care the mirror is king to them and they look the business. I am also a bit strange in that I like to be able to do the lot, lift over double bodyweight squat and deadlift, run distance at good pace and still have endurance enough for recovery and mobility enough to make use of it all. Because of this I spendd most of my time gaining one thing and losing a bit of another then cycling back around, but overall I improve.

You have a lot of knowledge and reading behind you which is why some of your assumptions of impossibility and required practices suprises me. Reading, experience and observation have taught me that impossible is most often just an excuse for not putting in the effort and what commercial papers will tell us are required practices to sell products scientific papers have shown are just expensive alternatives to what nature gives us.
That said I like most of your stuff even if I disagree with some of it.
 
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