Sport Is it ever ok...
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Absolutely 
Just don't make a habit of it.
Just don't make a habit of it.
to eat a chocolate brownie - hot fudge - ice cream - oreo sundae?
This can "depend", in my humble opinion. It can depend on the individual and the personal triggers that cause bad habits.
IMO, one cannot blanket a "yes" to this question because dependent on the person, these sorts of foods can be favorable and unfavorable to a persons goal, dependent on their individual problems with food (psychologically and socially), education within diet and fitness, and lifestyle habits.
If it causes you to eat more than you should, or causes you to go on inappropriate binges and likewise ruin your caloric goal path, get rid of it, its a disease to your goal. A lot of persons fall within this category, and are in a dryer tumbling around and around and never figure what they need to do to cure this disease to their goal path.
If you maintain a solid caloric history trend within the known rules of fat loss, and you can fit an item (like on your list) within your caloric requirements without it causing bad eating behavior, than it will do no harm.
If you maintain a solid caloric history trend within the known rules of fat loss, and you eat an item like this once in a while, and even stray passed your caloric requirements (reasonably) without it causing bad eating behavior, than it will do no harm--especially if you already know your history of deficits leading up to this "planned" exception to your eating plan.
Eating items like this (depending on the circumference of your diet trend), "can cause" undesirable side effects.
For example, if you eat the above items "alone" with nothing else, it will cause an intense rise in your blood sugar. You are liable to feel great and energetic for a time--until your blood sugar levels stabilize, and then drop.
Then you could experience a side effect you don't want because of this sort of eating: Hungry and a craving for food again in a matter of a couple of hours. Stabilizing blood sugar (IMO), is the key to stabilizing one's hunger cravings, and is a key (IMO, with manipulating macro nutrients) in a persons fat loss quest. Know your body.
A "so-called" cheat meal isn't going to kill your goal path, when one is educated and smart in the basic and advanced concepts of the rules that are required for fat loss.
The most important thing, IMO, when you are wanting to lose fat tissue, is keeping your sanity, but playing within the known and understood basic rules and concepts.
Personally, I view "not being able to control one's so-called cheat meals" as the more powerful killer and potentially damaging to one's fat loss goals.
However, a few "calculated cheat meals" are not going to kill one's fat loss quest, when its under control within the known and understood basic rules and concepts of fat tissue loss.
With this said, if "a few calculated and educated implementations of cheat meals" becomes a "facilitator of undesirable habits" and/or a trigger that tends to excessively break the rules and concepts of fat loss, AGAIN I SAY: get rid of it...period; "it's handing you an ass whoopen" in your fat loss quest by controlling you, instead of you controlling it within the confinement of the basic rules and regulations of fat loss.
The above (when reading comprehension is spot on), is the main reason, I press "education" in the basic concepts of fat loss. These concepts can provide the tools to work with various items within one's diet (that are not "necessarily" that great to consume), and still stay on track with one's fat loss quest.
When one is fine tuned in the understanding of the calorie requirements, basic knowledge of good food consumption, calories in certain foods, calories burned during certain activities, and become educated in the "good" dieting concepts (such as Berardi's 90-10 rule), a person becomes armed with making plans within their life to handle many, many, different things that would "possibly" knock them off their goal track. Get yourself motivated to EDUCATE YOURSELF!
Remember this:
If you educate yourself thoroughly on diet and fitness......it is within this education, that will provide the tools to effectively deal with yourself. You can effectively lesson (but not totally eliminate) the burden on yourself, and increase the odds you will be personally successful.
Set your body free! Fill it with Glee! Be all you can be!
Do not deny Thee!
And, it can be a disaster for some people wanting to get extremely lean:
Myself as an example: If I am at 10% BF, wanting to get to sub 8% BF, and know from previous history my body fights me at a certain weight point (fat percent) to get leaner and wanting to maintain its weight, and normal caloric deficits by itself doesn't work (and I have to manipulate macro-nutrients), eating (the things he lists) can be destructive and disastrous at a certain point (like using low carbohydrate set points prior to a phase of increasing carbohydrates).
Best regards,
Chillen
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Read this article by Dr. J. B.:
Bodybuilding.com - John Berardi - Damage Control: To Cheat Or Not To Cheat!
There are only three mistakes in your goal path you can make.
You have made the first step and this is believing you do not want to stay where you are; do not sway from yourself, and give it all you have in you, and your body will follow your guidance.
Best regards,
Chillen
To Cheat or not to Cheat?
Bodybuilding.com - John Berardi - Damage Control: To Cheat Or Not To Cheat!
There are only three mistakes in your goal path you can make.
- Not Starting.
- Not staying true to yourself.
Not knowing your strengths and weaknesses, and not knowing how to "effectively" deal with them.
- And, not going all the way.
You begin to realize the truth in "what its going to take", and you are not willing to apply "enough of you" to get it done.
You have made the first step and this is believing you do not want to stay where you are; do not sway from yourself, and give it all you have in you, and your body will follow your guidance.
Best regards,
Chillen
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I ate my first chocolate brownie in three years today, it was delicious and I could stop myself at one. I won't have one for a while now but I am happy that I could eat it and stop which in the past was a big issue. Funny this topic popped up today of all days!
Yeah, eat it and have your significant other lick some chocolate drizzle from your nipples.
Or your pet, if you're into it.
Do not listen to these beloved forum brotha's
They are all high on pot and believe in smoking dope before working out, and have the munchies.
Best wishes
Chillen
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One's personal response to a "cheat meal" with vary per person. It can vary due to biological efficiency, trend history within diet and fitness training, and personal biological factors.
So knowing how one responds to "cheat meals" can determine how one manages and implements a "cheat meal" (if any).
Its about damage control, people.
I repeat: Damage control.
And its knowing yourself, lifestyle habits, and your dieting and fitness "trend history" leading to this "cheat meal" or personal outing with friends where alcohol is consumed.
As I continue this post, I want to make something clear. I am considering most things equal.
Some can get by (with an appropriate history) with a cheat meal, and drinking alcohol (moderately), while others the impact to their personal goals can be quite dramatic (to the negative, because of biological complications, efficiency, etc).
This is why cheat meals and drinking alcohol isn't for EVERYONE when wanting to lose fat tissue.
And, some will repeat the cycle of getting depressed, and never figure this out.
You are required to figure your bodily response. This will never change.
Its about understanding your behavior, and then applying diet and fitness education to this personal behavior, and then adjusting as you get feedback from your body.
For example. If one is a large person, and you know you have complications with resisting alcohol on the weekends (or what ever), then you set yourself up in the caloric and nutritional sense during the course of the week prior to the troublesome day (s), and then have a fitness plan of action on the two problematic days--for damage control.
You have a plan, and adjust this plan as you move forward, as your body "tells you whether you are doing right or doing it wrong".
You have to have a "talk with yourself".
An intense and serious business talk.
And, determine where your dietary and fitness goals compare to the positive and negative effects of "cheat meals" and the more intense positive and negative responses (when excessive) of your alcohol consumption.
Your ROCK-THIS-OUT with education.
Education within diet and fitness, and with knowing yourself and applying ample discipline when applying the education from diet and fitness.
For example. Lets say you followed a negative -700 calorie deficit per day for 5 days (-3500, Sunday through Thursday), and plan on drinking alcohol this Friday, and tend to eat just a tad too much.
I have seen some people, schedule themselves off weight training this exampled Friday.
This is the WRONG THING TO DO.
My definition of damaged control is effectively controlling your behavior so you do not eliminate or ruin your previous trend history that had the foundation to lead to fat tissue loss.
And, this weekend can do just that, if one isn't careful and handle it "wisely".
You schedule in a weight training/cardio the day of your anticipated "cheat meal" and/or alcohol consumption.
If it is just a "cheat meal" and doesn't include excessive alcohol consumption, then you could schedule a weight training session/cardio before, and a high energy impact training after.
Effectively increasing your activity levels in the face of a calorie increase. Likewise this increases your calorie requirements, and "can" lesson the impact, and likewise lead to saving your hard work during the previous days of the week.
IMO, you increase your activity (likewise your energy expenditure) when you anticipate an increase in calories (at least in this example I am referring to).
One thing is for certain, that I have seen on the forum. Is that the following Saturday, when you are basically feeling like crap (your liver overburdened by biologically multi-tasking, blood intoxicated, and body dehydrated), one isn't going to feel like knocking out cardio and/or weight training--on average.
So, one can schedule it off (the following Saturday as an example)--or simply control their alcohol consumption where they do not experience the associated "hang-over" the next day.
For some it can take as much as 2 days to recover (dependent) on how much was consumed on that Friday. So there you already have two days that impacted your diet and fitness goals. Biologically speaking, what do you think is on the "body's high priority" meter that following Saturday and Sunday after an intensive and excessive alcohol consumption? "think about it--biologically, within you". The feelings expressed by the body on Saturday and potentially Sunday are symptoms of "truth".
And, with a little education on how much approximated energy is expended before and after these sessions, and approximate caloric content of your "cheat meal", you can "activate damaged control", as well as set off some potentially positive biological processes.
In addition, when you read and educate yourself on: Nutrient timing, carb cycling, and other dietary manipulations, you could theoretically add even more ammunition to your personal arsenal to combat cheat meals, and other problematic aspects of your personal habits. And, what I just wrote are very powerful tools to be armed with. So educate yourself on the various concepts.
Additionally, cravings are personally combated through diet and manipulating the types of foods you eat and when you eat it. And, using the grocery store as your friend and not the foe. And, this is done by knowing what types of food "assist" with combating the powerful craving, and how to attempt to keep your blood sugar as stable as possible.
Question. Do you think your blood sugar is high or low when excessively consuming alcohol on Friday.....that following Saturday? What is your personal tolerance for food that following Saturday? Throw up at the site of it, or want to eat more? Either way, you are seeing just how much of what we do, effects our body, and our body has no choice to respond by its design intention.
Love yourself enough to put your health and fitness goals above any temporary feeling or taste, and have an educated priority structure in place--that is funded, supported, and backed by diet and fitness education. Most importantly, know yourself.
Love yourself, young man.
Best wishes,
Chillen
So knowing how one responds to "cheat meals" can determine how one manages and implements a "cheat meal" (if any).
Its about damage control, people.
I repeat: Damage control.
And its knowing yourself, lifestyle habits, and your dieting and fitness "trend history" leading to this "cheat meal" or personal outing with friends where alcohol is consumed.
As I continue this post, I want to make something clear. I am considering most things equal.
Some can get by (with an appropriate history) with a cheat meal, and drinking alcohol (moderately), while others the impact to their personal goals can be quite dramatic (to the negative, because of biological complications, efficiency, etc).
This is why cheat meals and drinking alcohol isn't for EVERYONE when wanting to lose fat tissue.
And, some will repeat the cycle of getting depressed, and never figure this out.
You are required to figure your bodily response. This will never change.
Its about understanding your behavior, and then applying diet and fitness education to this personal behavior, and then adjusting as you get feedback from your body.
For example. If one is a large person, and you know you have complications with resisting alcohol on the weekends (or what ever), then you set yourself up in the caloric and nutritional sense during the course of the week prior to the troublesome day (s), and then have a fitness plan of action on the two problematic days--for damage control.
You have a plan, and adjust this plan as you move forward, as your body "tells you whether you are doing right or doing it wrong".
You have to have a "talk with yourself".
An intense and serious business talk.
And, determine where your dietary and fitness goals compare to the positive and negative effects of "cheat meals" and the more intense positive and negative responses (when excessive) of your alcohol consumption.
Your ROCK-THIS-OUT with education.
Education within diet and fitness, and with knowing yourself and applying ample discipline when applying the education from diet and fitness.
For example. Lets say you followed a negative -700 calorie deficit per day for 5 days (-3500, Sunday through Thursday), and plan on drinking alcohol this Friday, and tend to eat just a tad too much.
I have seen some people, schedule themselves off weight training this exampled Friday.
This is the WRONG THING TO DO.
My definition of damaged control is effectively controlling your behavior so you do not eliminate or ruin your previous trend history that had the foundation to lead to fat tissue loss.
And, this weekend can do just that, if one isn't careful and handle it "wisely".
You schedule in a weight training/cardio the day of your anticipated "cheat meal" and/or alcohol consumption.
If it is just a "cheat meal" and doesn't include excessive alcohol consumption, then you could schedule a weight training session/cardio before, and a high energy impact training after.
Effectively increasing your activity levels in the face of a calorie increase. Likewise this increases your calorie requirements, and "can" lesson the impact, and likewise lead to saving your hard work during the previous days of the week.
IMO, you increase your activity (likewise your energy expenditure) when you anticipate an increase in calories (at least in this example I am referring to).
One thing is for certain, that I have seen on the forum. Is that the following Saturday, when you are basically feeling like crap (your liver overburdened by biologically multi-tasking, blood intoxicated, and body dehydrated), one isn't going to feel like knocking out cardio and/or weight training--on average.
So, one can schedule it off (the following Saturday as an example)--or simply control their alcohol consumption where they do not experience the associated "hang-over" the next day.
For some it can take as much as 2 days to recover (dependent) on how much was consumed on that Friday. So there you already have two days that impacted your diet and fitness goals. Biologically speaking, what do you think is on the "body's high priority" meter that following Saturday and Sunday after an intensive and excessive alcohol consumption? "think about it--biologically, within you". The feelings expressed by the body on Saturday and potentially Sunday are symptoms of "truth".
And, with a little education on how much approximated energy is expended before and after these sessions, and approximate caloric content of your "cheat meal", you can "activate damaged control", as well as set off some potentially positive biological processes.
In addition, when you read and educate yourself on: Nutrient timing, carb cycling, and other dietary manipulations, you could theoretically add even more ammunition to your personal arsenal to combat cheat meals, and other problematic aspects of your personal habits. And, what I just wrote are very powerful tools to be armed with. So educate yourself on the various concepts.
Additionally, cravings are personally combated through diet and manipulating the types of foods you eat and when you eat it. And, using the grocery store as your friend and not the foe. And, this is done by knowing what types of food "assist" with combating the powerful craving, and how to attempt to keep your blood sugar as stable as possible.
Question. Do you think your blood sugar is high or low when excessively consuming alcohol on Friday.....that following Saturday? What is your personal tolerance for food that following Saturday? Throw up at the site of it, or want to eat more? Either way, you are seeing just how much of what we do, effects our body, and our body has no choice to respond by its design intention.
Love yourself enough to put your health and fitness goals above any temporary feeling or taste, and have an educated priority structure in place--that is funded, supported, and backed by diet and fitness education. Most importantly, know yourself.
Love yourself, young man.
Best wishes,
Chillen
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Good point. You have two nipples after all.