Sport Intermittent Fasting

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Anyone ever try this? I'm really considering giving it a go. Lots of people have reported a lot of success on it, and it seems to be an eating plan that I could actually stick with, and It would work well with almost any schedule

Essentially you fast for 16 hours then eat for 8, and rinse repeat.

ex:
10pm to 2pm the next day fast, 2pm pre-wo meal, 3pm workout, eat until 10pm, fast till 2pm the next day

Any thoughts? (please no omg 6 meals a day or go home BS)
 
I did it but for 36 hours. I don't think I dropped any fat but the water drop is HUGE. IT made me feel good and I didn't have a problem working out including some high intensity cardio. I reccommend it. Good to flush out stuff and reset but that is all my feeling and opinion. It is easier to stick to strict calories because you don't even think about the food since you aren't going to eat any until times up. I drank green tea and water. OK. I admit I drank coffee too but black and I am a coffee addict. :D I was 5 pounds lighter the next time I weighed which is no small feat for someone who is relatively low bodyfat to begin with.
 
I did it but for 36 hours. I don't think I dropped any fat but the water drop is HUGE. IT made me feel good and I didn't have a problem working out including some high intensity cardio. I reccommend it. Good to flush out stuff and reset but that is all my feeling and opinion. It is easier to stick to strict calories because you don't even think about the food since you aren't going to eat any until times up. I drank green tea and water. OK. I admit I drank coffee too but black and I am a coffee addict. :D I was 5 pounds lighter the next time I weighed which is no small feat for someone who is relatively low bodyfat to begin with.

huh? This isn't a fast. It's a long term diet program. You fast for 16 hours, eat for 8, fast for 16, eat for 8, non stop for however long you stay on the diet, some people its their whole life. In that 8 hour period you eat your days calories.

I'm strongly considering using this because it is naturally how my eating schedule would go if I didn't force myself to eat 5-7 meals a day. I'm just wondering if anyone has tried it or if anyone has something to say about it
 
The term fasting threw me. I think I read about something like that in some book by a Israeli Special Forces guy... something along the lines of following your Circadian cycle or like the cavemen did where they hunt and then feast eating as much as they could until satisfied. It didn't appeal to me as I could imagine I would have trouble not binging I would get so hungry but why not give it a try and see if it works for you? Someone else might say its good or bad but unless you apply it to your own body that is just their take. There are so many variables.

Of course, against what you wanted to hear, most people seem to have great success with the PITA method of spacing your calories thoughout the day. :) I have yet to meet anyone who said that didn't work, just that they found it time consuming and tedious. Such is life.
 
The term fasting threw me. I think I read about something like that in some book by a Israeli Special Forces guy... something along the lines of following your Circadian cycle or like the cavemen did where they hunt and then feast eating as much as they could until satisfied. It didn't appeal to me as I could imagine I would have trouble not binging I would get so hungry but why not give it a try and see if it works for you? Someone else might say its good or bad but unless you apply it to your own body that is just their take. There are so many variables.

Of course, against what you wanted to hear, most people seem to have great success with the PITA method of spacing your calories thoughout the day. :) I have yet to meet anyone who said that didn't work, just that they found it time consuming and tedious. Such is life.


I know I'll have to determine if it works for me, I was just checking if anyone else has done this or has anything to say about it.

I agree that 6 meals a day works, but it remains very time consuming, and personally I find it leaves me hungry ALL the time. I'm doing the IF thing today, so I haven't eaten yet. I don't feel hungry at all, and I know I'm going to be able to stuff my face later :D I think I like it, but time will tell. Going to do fasted cardio in half an hour and see how my energy levels are compared to having oats and milk before hand
 
Give an update. I can't be trusted on that sort of thing. The instruction to eat as much as I wanted would lead to enough food consumed for 3 people. I wish I were kidding but I am not. For someone who doesn't have some "head" stuff going on, I bet it will work.
 
Give an update. I can't be trusted on that sort of thing. The instruction to eat as much as I wanted would lead to enough food consumed for 3 people. I wish I were kidding but I am not. For someone who doesn't have some "head" stuff going on, I bet it will work.

It's not an excuse to eat as much as you want, you just eat your full days calories in a smaller time frame so it feels that way. I'm guessing I'll be pretty much full the entire 8 hours because I'm eating my daily food in half the time frame, and that's what I'm hoping for. I was never a breakfast person until I forced myself to eat it over and over and it took a long time. I think mostpeople are like that, and it may just be that they are forcing themselves to adapt to an unnatural eating pattern
 
Just MY opinion but I think this LONG-term diet program is AWFUL.

First, the fasting of 16 hours will make your body think that it's starving so it will want to turn any extra calorie into FAT. Then, you are getting TONs of calorie in a short period of time, where the body will have extra calorie to turn into FAT. If you do lose weight on this diet program, you will lose it on easy places to lose and the stomach / inner thigh (for woman) might even gain some fat.

There is some truth to the cliche: "The first place the body want to put on fat is the LAST place it want to get rid of it."
 
That "method" of trying to lose weight simply won't work. It goes without saying that the weight you may see disapear is predominantly water, glycogen etc not fat; more importantly you reprogram your fat cells to increase their affinity and storage capacity for fat, which is what you don't want. It would be absurd to try this method as a healthy or successfull way because it is only temporary, and studies show that when you stop, you gain even more weight than when you first started out. A better way would be to just eat healthy, rather than use some gimmick.

Caveat emptor..
 
this isn't a gimmick.... there are a lot of people who use this method and it is being studied a lot and finding a lot of significant benefits. I think I'm going to do it for the next 2 months to prove that 6 meals a day is just dogma. And if all goes well, this will be a lifestyle change, as it definitely suits me more than 6 meals a day

I drink 3-5L of water a day and eat a good amount of carbs. The weight lost will not be coming from water and glycogen. This isn't keto.

I've done it for the last two days, both days working out fasted. Thus far, I feel very energetic and sociable in the mornings / afternoon while fasting; I have noticed no drop in energy levels for workouts thus far (deadlifts tomorrow should give me a very clear picture); I don't feel hungry at all during the fast, and my late night hunger is quelled by a few thousand calories when it needs to be.

I'll keep this updated
 
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Just because a lot of people use it doesn't mean it isn't a gimmick, that's appealing to numbers. As I said before there are plenty of studies which show it isn't a good idea, if there any that show it's good, where are they?

If you can't show any studies then i'm afraid YOUR the one following the dogma.
 
Worked out hard today fasted. Dead's were fun; hit heavier weight than usual. Strong military presses too and felt really strong on pullups

I just can't do the 6 meals a day thing anymore. It's too difficult, and really makes it hard to stick to a diet. More important than any hormone response or metabolic change, is actually sticking to a diet.

Here's an analogy:
"Eating six meals a day, in my experience makes each meal like having an incredibly attractive woman enter the room, dance around for a couple of minutes showing a little skin, then abruptly leaving you with your hard on."

I can't stick to an eating plan like that, but I can stick to this one





If you can't show any studies then i'm afraid YOUR the one following the dogma.

Zauner et al (2007)

"Resting energy expenditure in short-term starvation is increased as
a result of an increase in serum norepinephrine"
Am J Clin Nutr 2000;71:1511:5.




Stote et al (2007)
improved bodycomposition with a 20 hr fast

Results: Subjects who completed the study maintained their body
weight within 2 kg of their initial weight throughout the 6-mo period.
There were no significant effects of meal frequency on heart rate,
body temperature, or most of the blood variables measured. However,
when consuming 1 meal/d
, subjects had a significant increase
in hunger; a significant modification of body composition, including
reductions in fat mass
; significant increases in blood pressure and in
total, LDL-, and HDL-cholesterol concentrations; and a significant
decrease in concentrations of cortisol.


Conclusions: Normal-weight subjects are able to comply with a 1
meal/d diet. When meal frequency is decreased without a reduction
in overall calorie intake, modest changes occur in body composition,
some cardiovascular disease risk factors, and hematologic variables.
Diurnal variations may affect outcomes.

Am J Clin Nutr 2007; 85:981: 8





Ann Nutr Metab. 2006 Aug 24;50(5):476-481 [Epub ahead of print] Related Articles, Links

Actions of Short-Term Fasting on Human Skeletal Muscle Myogenic and Atrogenic Gene Expression.

Larsen AE, Tunstall RJ, Carey KA, Nicholas G, Kambadur R, Crowe TC, Cameron-Smith D.

School of Exercise and Nutrition Sciences, Deakin University, Burwood, Australia.

Background: Skeletal muscle mass is governed by multiple IGF-1-sensitive positive regulators of muscle-specific protein synthesis (myogenic regulatory factors which includes myoD, myogenin and Myf5) and negative regulators, including the atrogenic proteins myostatin, atrogin-1 and muscle ring finger 1 (MuRF-1). The coordinated control of these myogenic and atrogenic factors in human skeletal muscle following short-term fasting is currently unknown. Method: Healthy adults (n = 6, age 27.6 years) undertook a 40-hour fast. Skeletal muscle biopsy (vastus lateralis) and venous blood samples were taken 3, 15 and 40 h into the fast after an initial standard high-carbohydrate meal. Gene expression of the myogenic regulator factors (myoD, myogenin and Myf5) and the atrogenic factors (myostatin, atrogin-1 and MuRF-1) were determined by real-time PCR analysis. Plasma myostatin and IGF-1 were determined by ELISA.

Results: There were no significant alterations in either the positive or negative regulators of muscle mass at either 15 or 40 h, when compared to gene expression measured 3 h after a meal. Similarly, plasma myostatin and IGF-1 were also unaltered at these times. Conclusions: Unlike previous observations in catabolic and cachexic diseased states, short-term fasting (40 h) fails to elicit marked alteration of the genes regulating both muscle-specific protein synthesis or atrophy. Greater periods of fasting may be required to initiate coordinated inhibition of myogenic and atrogenic gene expression.





Alternate-day fasting in nonobese subjects: effects on body weight, body composition, and energy metabolism.

Heilbronn LK, Smith SR, Martin CK, Anton SD, Ravussin E.

Pennington Biomedical Research Center, Baton Rouge, LA 70808, USA.
BACKGROUND: Prolonged dietary restriction increases the life span in rodents. Some evidence suggests that alternate-day fasting may also prolong the life span. OBJECTIVE: Our goal was to determine whether alternate-day fasting is a feasible method of dietary restriction in nonobese humans and whether it improves known biomarkers of longevity. DESIGN: Nonobese subjects (8 men and 8 women) fasted every other day for 22 d. Body weight, body composition, resting metabolic rate (RMR), respiratory quotient (RQ), temperature, fasting serum glucose, insulin, free fatty acids, and ghrelin were assessed at baseline and after 21 d (12-h fast) and 22 d (36-h fast) of alternate-day fasting. Visual analogue scales were used to assess hunger weekly. RESULTS: Subjects lost 2.5 +/- 0.5% of their initial body weight (P < 0.001) and 4 +/- 1% of their initial fat mass (P < 0.001). Hunger increased on the first day of fasting and remained elevated (P < 0.001). RMR and RQ did not change significantly from baseline to day 21, but RQ decreased on day 22 (P < 0.001), which resulted in an average daily increase in fat oxidation of > or =15 g. Glucose and ghrelin did not change significantly from baseline with alternate-day fasting, whereas fasting insulin decreased 57 +/- 4% (P < 0.001).

CONCLUSIONS: Alternate-day fasting was feasible in nonobese subjects, and fat oxidation increased. However, hunger on fasting days did not decrease, perhaps indicating the unlikelihood of continuing this diet for extended periods of time. Adding one small meal on a fasting day may make this approach to dietary restriction more acceptable.





Research indicates that a haphazard meal frequency, not necessarily a lower frequency, negatively impacts thermogenesis, blood lipids, and insulin sensitivity [1,2]. Contrary to popular belief, a high frequency has no thermodynamic advantage over a low frequency under calorie-controlled conditions (as opposed to ad libitium or free-living conditions) using 24-hr indirect calorimetry [3,4]
With little exception [7,8], the majority of controlled intervention trials show no improvement in body composition with a higher meal frequency, with treatments ranging from 1 to 9 meals per day [9-11,15].

1 Farshchi HR, et al. Beneficial metabolic effects of regular meal frequency on dietary thermogenesis, insulin sensitivity, and fasting lipid profiles in healthy obese women. Am J Clin Nutr. 2005 Jan;81(1):16-24.
2 Farshchi HR, et al. Decreased thermic effect of food after an irregular compared with a regular meal pattern in healthy lean women. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2004 May;28(5):653-60.
3 Taylor MA, Garrow JS. Compared with nibbling, neither gorging nor a morning fast affect short-term energy balance in obese patients in a chamber calorimeter. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord. 2001 Apr;25(4):519-28.
4 Verboeket-van de Venne WP, Westerterp KR. Influence of the feeding frequency on nutrient utilization in man: consequences for energy metabolism. Eur J Clin Nutr. 1991 Mar;45(3):161-9.
7 Swindells YE, The metabolic response of young women to changes in the frequency of meals. Br J Nutr. 1968 Dec;22(4):667-80.
8 Iwao S, et al. Effects of meal frequency on body composition during weight control in boxers. Scand J Med Sci Sports. 1996 Oct;6(5):265-72.
9 Young CM, Frequency of feeding, weight reduction, and body composition. J Am Diet Assoc. 1971 Nov;59(5):466-72.
10 Antoine JM, et al. Feeding frequency and nitrogen balance in weight-reducing obese women. Hum Nutr Clin Nutr. 1984 Jan;38(1):31-8.
11 Verboeket-van de Venne WP, et al. Frequency of feeding, weight reduction and energy metabolism. Int J Obese Relat Metab Disord. 1993 Jan;17(1):31-6.
15 Speechly DP, Buffenstein R. Greater appetite control associated with an increased frequency of eating in lean males. Appetite. 1999 Dec;33(3):285-97.
 
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Well at least on my behalf, I never mentioned anything about 6 meals a day, simply just eating regularly and healthy, what's so hard about that?

If you want to starve yourself for long periods, expect an increased risk of: cardiovascular problems, changes in your hormonal fat cells, weight flucuations and ultimately increase weight gain long term etc.
 
Well at least on my behalf, I never mentioned anything about 6 meals a day, simply just eating regularly and healthy, what's so hard about that?

If you want to starve yourself for long periods, expect an increased risk of: cardiovascular problems, changes in your hormonal fat cells, weight flucuations and ultimately increase weight gain long term etc.

Not starving myself. Like I said this is just better for me since I'm not usually hungry till the late afternoon.
 
I agree with Matt here and I am a big fan of 6 meals a day. Personally, when I was in my early 20's I can get away with that 8 hour diet and eating 2 meals a day. You might be able to pull it off because you are young and it might be the diet for you to fit into your shedule.

With that said, did you notice that your source information states that: increase in blood pressure, and LDL? Basically, it will translate into hardening of the arteries faster and heart attack, that is what increase in blood pressure and LDL will do to you.

As for the 2nd research presented, did you noticed that they only conducted that study for 22 days? Did you noticed that "However, hunger on fasting days did not decrease, perhaps indicating the unlikelihood of continuing this diet for extended periods of time."

Note, that there is a difference between weight loss and fat loss. The diet may be good for weight loss (muscle deteriation+fat loss) but you might lose too much muscle.

Let's breakdown their stats:
2.5% body weight loss (lets say 100lb person) = 2.5 lbs,
4% fat loss (say a person w/ 20% bf, 0.20x100 = 20lbs of fat x 0.04 (fat lost) = 0.8 lbs fat lost.

Now where do you think the other 1.7 lbs of tissue lost is coming from? Like I said, it might be a GOOD weight loss program but probably not very good FAT loss program.

Good luck with the diet but just my personal opinion that this diet is not effective.
 
I'm not following this plan to a T. I didn't really look around for some diet and choose one, it pretty much chose me. Typically I never get hungry until the afternoon, so that is when I start eating. If I feel very hungry before then, than I break it sooner. It isn't something I have to stick to day in day out.

If I were bulking, I would definitely be doing a 6 meals a day thing because I can handle that with excess calories, but eating 6 meals of 300-400 calories leaves me starving from 9am to midnight. Thus far, I have essentially felt no hunger whatsoever for the last 4 days because I'm eating when my body prefers to. It's really just a good eating plan for keeping on track in my diet, and if it is being researched and showing some benefits, all the better.

Also note the 6 month study of 20h fasting found that they kept within 2kg of their body weight. The 22 day study results are for combined 14 and 36 hour fasts. I won't be fasting for any longer than 16h any day and most of that is sleep.

Anyway! onward! I broke the fast before i went running today because I didnt get around to running till later than expected. Having the food before hand really brought me down. Less distance, less time. I felt heavier and did not have the mental drive I've had the last few days.

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Anyone ever try this? I'm really considering giving it a go. Lots of people have reported a lot of success on it, and it seems to be an eating plan that I could actually stick with, and It would work well with almost any schedule

Essentially you fast for 16 hours then eat for 8, and rinse repeat.

ex:
10pm to 2pm the next day fast, 2pm pre-wo meal, 3pm workout, eat until 10pm, fast till 2pm the next day

Any thoughts? (please no omg 6 meals a day or go home BS)

Take the time to read ALL this material: These are good reads:


By Alan Aragon:



Meal Frequency (Lyle McDonald):

(see page 6 and 7, reference Meal Frequency)



Notwithstanding nutritional push, frequency of meals is marketing---------DOGMA.
 
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