Sport Intake, amount of protein

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My goal in to lose weight. Do I figure protein consumption on my current weight or the weight I’d like to be?

I’m 290lbs and actually in decent shape…..not saying I don’t have fat, I do. I’ve been posting in the journals forum if you want to see my activity. I’d like to see 240lbs. Should I eat protein based on 290lbs or 240lbs? I would think 240lbs.
 
If you have a lot of fat, then basing protein needs on your weight might not be needed, you could base on fat free weight. I wouldn't base it on your goal weight.. but when it comes to protein intake, it's better with more than enough than less than enough, this specially holds true for cutting, since energy balance has an effect on protein (nitrogen) balance. People who lose weight with high protein intakes lose less muscle mass.
 
Holy smack! Is this sight for real? That’s a lot of protein; I thought I’d need just over 100gs or something.

Cut and paste into Google:
Build-muscle-gain-weight.com/nutrition-calculators/protein-intake-calculator

Bodyweight: 240 lbs
Endurance Training: 153 grams
Strength & Power Training: 196 grams
Weight Loss Training: 218 grams
Weight Gain Training: 218 grams


Bodyweight:

290 lbs
Endurance Training: 185 grams
Strength & Power Training: 237 grams
Weight Loss Training: 264 grams
Weight Gain Training: 264 grams
 
US RDA for persons doing light activity at most is 0.36g per pound of body weight per day, which would correspond to 86g per day at 240 pounds, or 104 g per day at 290 pounds.

It is known that those doing moderate to intense exercise benefit from more protein than that (often much more in the case of heavy weight training, particularly under calorie deficit conditions). The numbers you list seem to correspond to the about 0.64g per pound of body weight for endurance training, 0.82g per pound of body weight for strength and power training, and 0.91g per pound of body weight for weight loss or gain training (presumably with heavy weight training). These are not too different from what various web sites list, though there are some differences (some web sites suggest using lean body weight, rather than total body weight, since body fat has little protein requirement -- it is possible that the site in question uses 0.7, 0.9, and 1.0 g per pound of lean body weight, making the assumption of about 9% body fat).

Getting the specified amount of protein may be most difficult for those restricting calories while doing heavy weight training, since that requires a meal plan with high protein density (in contrast, endurance athletes often automatically get enough protein because they consume so much extra food that the protein adds up even with foods of average protein density). Lean meat, egg whites, and protein powder supplements may be commonly eaten by such people to increase the protein density of their food. Surprisingly, green vegetables often have a very high percentage of calories from protein -- but they have so few calories that they won't give that much protein unless you eat huge amounts of them.
 
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Much thanks all,

I'm getting in about 175g of protein now...I'll try to stay at least there but aim higher. Better than the 100g I was shooting for.
 
I do not know how much you are overweight by. But my GENERAL rule of thumb have been 1g of protien per LBM (lean body mass). LBM is just you body weight minuse the bodyfat. You are 290 lbs and lets say you have 30% bodyfat; lbm = 290x0.7 = 203g. 203g of protien is not that much considering that even on a 2,000 calorie diet; you are still losing weight at 290 lbs.

Try keeping a food log for the next 3 days over everything you eat and serving size. You will be surprise by how much you intake and how much protein you are eating. Initially, I thought 170g of protien was hard to eat but once I kept a detailed log; 170g is easy to intake.
 
Wow, some conflicting points of view here. Matt says 170gs is too much and Tic says he consumes 170gs and is much lighter than me. Tic’s about 171.1 to 175.6.

Tic, I’ve been keeping a log in the journal forum, of my gym work and food intake (I’m getting better detail of the food part of things now). I’m finding the only way I can keep my protein intake up is to take a whey supplement. Please offer any advice you have there, diet or otherwise.

From what I understand the protein will turn to fat if you are not exercising and have no need for it to replenish you muscles.

I’m down to 282lbs from 290. I posted a pic in the journals forum. While most people think of my weight as obese I certainly don't think I’m. (could be denial) Anyway I need to get a handle on food intake.
 
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You realise a significant portion of that protein intake is turned into fat? that' too much.

why do you think this? you can't just make a statement without any reason, evidence, citations, etc.

If 170g of protein shoots him over his caloric needs, yes, that can be converted to fat.

if he's still under his maintenance needs with 170g of protein, its not going to convert to fat.
 
the "protein turns to fat" argument is bull****. Everything turns to fat. More protein than your body can use for anabolism will be oxidised or stored as fat. Same as every other nutrient. The thing is, though, that it doesn't really come down to nutrients, it comes down to calorie balance. If you're in a deficit, eating 400g protein a day, do you think a lot of that will be turned to fat? no, you'll use it as energy because you're in a deficit! If you were in a surplus, some of it would get turned to fat, but some of your dietary fat would also get stored as fat, some (but not much, because de novo lipogenesis isn't that effective, but that's another thread) of your carbs aswell.

It's just a matter of where you get your energy. After you've got enough for substrates to protein synthesis and enough for signalling protein synthesis then you don't really need more. But no one can know exactly where that level is. So, since high protein diets don't harm you (if you're healthy) then it's better to be on the safe side. The ONLY downside is that protein is usually more expensive than carbs and fat, so eating a lot of protein over what's needed for signaling and substrates for PS might be bad for your economy.

Also, a protein intake of like 1.4-2.0 g/kgbw isn't even pushing it. A lot of studies and reviews say that's where you need to be to not be in a negative nitrogen balance if you're training hard.(of course, nitrogen balance isn't the perfect method, but it's what we've got)

So, economy being the negative thing with a higher than needed protein intake, let's look at the positive. If you're trying to lose weight: protein is the major saturing nutrient in your diet. So it will be easer to not overeat. Also, protein has a higher thermic effect than any other nutrient, so a lot of energy goes into digesting it, making it easier to lose weight, if that's your goal.
 
I respect Matt182 a lot from his responses to other people's question. You are very knowledge fello and am interested why you'd suggest that 170g of protein is too much for someone who is 290 lbs? I am not flaming, just curious about your insight bud.

To the OP, I'd LOVE eating roasted chicken. I buy a whole roasted chicken from Sam's Club (or Costco) for like $5 and eat half a day without the skin or as little skin as possible. I think a whole chicken have roughly 350g of protein but I might be off. If I am alone, I might even use a napkin to dab away the fat like I would on a slice of pizza.

Another great source for me is cottage cheese (about 33% more protein for same amount of calorie but 3x the sodium) or milk (milk has more calories but easier to consume). Pick your poison. I know a few guys that cannot stand the taste of cottage cheese. When I first started out 2 years ago, I'd had to drink whey and casein supplement to add more protein but over period of like 6 months, I learn to adapt and adjust my taste buds and diet to more lean protein. As you can tell, I am a single guy who like to eat heathly on the fly for cheap so my taste bud sacrificed a tad.

As for you taking whey, I'd suggest that you might only want to take that postworkout and rather eat cottage cheese or take Casein. They are both slower digesting protein. Even more advisable is to eat more fiber and slow digesting carbs.

Once you can control the MACRO calorie issue and have an overall calorie defeciet management, then start keeping track of grams of protein/carbs/fat that you intake to help you adjust which diet is best for YOUR lifestyle. Myself personally, I cannot deal without carbs and even on a low carb diet, I struggle to do daily function. Other folks who adhere to atkins diet (which I do not like or suggests) extremely well. Figure out what works for you bud.

As for the grams of protein intake, I am just suggesting 170g on rough calculating on what I generally know. I might be completely wrong for you but that is what worked for me. You will probably lose weight even eatin 100g of protein but might be losing a lot of muscle mass as well though. :(

Good luck bud and I am sure you already read the stickies. If you have not, they are extremely helpful and useful.
 
A few last notes:

1) make sure that your overall macro calories is in defeciet of 3,500 per week to lose 1 lbs and 7,000 for 2lbs.

2) If I recall right, it's 4 calories per gram of protein so eating 170g of protien would only constitute 680 calories from diet.

3) A diet should not be viewed as a sprint but rather a lifestyle change. If you eat like someone who is 200 lbs, eventually you will be 200 lbs!!! Time is on YOUR side.

4) Remember to take a diet "break" every 21-25 days at your level, I think.
 
I respect Matt182 a lot from his responses to other people's question. You are very knowledge fello and am interested why you'd suggest that 170g of protein is too much for someone who is 290 lbs? I am not flaming, just curious about your insight bud.

I cannot speak for Matt182 but he might hold the old school view presented in the food pyramid - eating a tonne of carbs and low fat.
 
My goal in to lose weight. Do I figure protein consumption on my current weight or the weight I’d like to be?

I’m 290lbs and actually in decent shape…..not saying I don’t have fat, I do. I’ve been posting in the journals forum if you want to see my activity. I’d like to see 240lbs. Should I eat protein based on 290lbs or 240lbs? I would think 240lbs.

As much as I love and respect, Matt182, ignore his comment on protein. A friendly disagreement. :)

Matt182, this is absolutely no disrespect to you. I mean well, just disagree in "terms of" basic principles of weight gain/weight loss.

In contrast, pay attention to the amount of calories you are consuming, and the amount of grams of macros (Protein, Carbohydrates, and Fats) within the calories you are allowing. Keep it simple; however, keep educating yourself, and when the time comes the four items I mentioned (Calories, Protein, Carbohydrates, and Fats) "are the one's to manipulate" dependent on your feedback, and goal position.

Trust me, when I tell you these four items are in deed the cornerstone of your personal fitness success.

You have free time? Uh.....I thought I heard a yes. :)

If not, make it.

Below are some quality articles written by Lyle McDonald, on Protein requirements, Nutrition variables, and other information reference Protein.

I respect this persons opinion, and its a time well spent reading his articles:





And the others that follow-up on the above:


Miscellaneous, but related:




  1. --->Lean Mass or Total Weight to Set Calorie Levels - Q&A



---->How Many Carbohydrates Do You Need?

---->Carbohydrate and Fat Controversies: Part 2

---->Carbohydrate and Fat Controversies: Part 1


Miscellaneous 2, but related:


--->A Primer on Dietary Fats - Part 1

--->A Primer on Dietary Fats - Part 2

--->Fish Oil Intake for Inflammation


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And, last but not least of importance:



--->Energy Density

--->Diet Percentages: Part 1

--->Diet Percentages: Part 2

--->Nutrient Metabolism Overview

--->Is a Calorie a Calorie?

--->Calories, Nutrients or Food?




Enjoy, and do read up. Education is your absolute best friend to feed your bodily feed back (bad or good).


Peace


Chillen
 
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Protein does not convert to fat. It is excreted from the body, as urine.

Nope, amino acids can be converted to fat. What is excreted in urine is the nitrogen (as urea) that is found in the amino acid, the carbon skeleton (the rest of the amino acid) can be used as fuel and stored as fat.
 
Thanks again for everybody’s contribution.

Chillen, you took the time and effort, I will read the articles. As well as the stickyies.
 
Thanks again for everybody’s contribution.

Chillen, you took the time and effort, I will read the articles. As well as the stickyies.

If you have any questions, post them up, as you read the material.

In short (and a very brief synopsis), here is LMCD's opinion, on various goals, and variables that exist per person:

This is only "part" of the article: Protein Requirements for Strength and Power Athletes

Reaching a Consensus (Remember this definition).

Possibly one of the longest standing debates in sports nutrition (not that people don’t argue about stuff constantly) is over protein requirements for athletes. Traditionally, there have been two primary and opposing views to this topic.

And yet, I’m going to tell you how to rationalize all of the above stuff that I imagine most of you skimmed in the first place. Two researchers, named Tipton and Wolfe wrote a cool paper about this argument. In it they first detailed all of the stuff I just bored you with. At the end they gave their recommendations where they basically argued that

* We don’t know how much protein is required to optimize all of the potential pathways important to athletes.

* We know that a protein intake of 1.4 g/lb (3.0 g/kg) isn’t harmful and may have benefits that are too small to be measured in research

* As long as eating lots of protein doesn’t keep an athlete from eating too few of the other nutrients (carbs/fats), there’s no reason to not eat a lot. And there may be benefits.

Essentially, a high protein intake won’t hurt an athlete (basically everything you may have read about the dangers of high protein intakes is nonsense), it may provide small benefits of importance to elite athletes and, at the end of the day athletes and coaches don’t give a **** about pedantic scientific debates over amino acid metabolism that gives researchers and nerds like me a giant hardon. Admittedly, they didn’t put it in exactly those terms but that’s the gist of it.

So here’s my recommendation, strength/power athletes should aim for 1.5 g/lb protein per day (again, this is about 3.3 g/kg for the metrically inclined). So for a 200 lb strength/power athlete, that’s 300 grams of protein per day. For a 300 lber, that’s 450 grams per day. If you’re Jeff Lewis, I imagine your protein requirements are basically ‘All of it’ or perhaps ‘A cow’. Per day.


The following articles are more based upon the average -joe weight lifter:


Brief overview of what is in this link:

Meal Frequency and Mass Gains

And since I covered the topic in exceeding detail in The Protein Book, I’m simply going to excerpt that section of that chapter. I’d note that I cover a tremendous number of other topics related to meal frequency in that chapter including many practical issues along with the impact of meal frequency on muscle mass maintenance during fat loss.

The Baseline Diet 2009: Part 2

And with that recap out of the way, I’ll move into the second part of the article today and talk about protein, carbohydrate and fat requirements in terms of the baseline diet. For each I’m going to talk about a variety of issues including total intake recommendations along with looking at issues of quality, timing, etc. in the context of The Baseline Diet.

The Baseline Diet 2009: Part 1

Next is a series of questions: How many meals are you eating per day? How many calories? How many grams of protein? Carbs? Fat? When’s the last time you ate fruit or vegetables? How much water are you consuming on a daily basis. If you’re an average lifter (and want to stay such), your answer is probably ‘Umm, I don’t know.’

An Objective Comparison of Chocolate Milk and Surge Recovery

My position was that using sucrose isn’t any more of a nutritional compromise than using dextrose. His answer was that “everyone knows” dextrose is superior to sucrose for postworkout glycogen resynthesis, and that sucrose is inherently unhealthier than dextrose. I countered his position by presenting scientific research refuting his claims. He then got all bent out of shape and started hurling adhominems at me, obviously frustrated that he was losing a public battle.

General Philosophies of Muscle Mass Gain

In this article (which will actually form an introduction to a series of articles I’ll be doing over the next several weeks and months), I want to talk about some basic concepts related to mass gaining nutrition, primarily looking at some of the different philosophies of mass-gaining that are out there. As usually, I’ll look at each in my normal way, looking at the various pros and cons of each approach.

Muscle Gain Mistakes

Although it may seem strange to talk about how to gain weight as we approach the holidays (where people typically gain weight without trying very hard), the simple fact is that, for athletes and bodybuilders, the winter (when it’s cold outside and you’re covered up) has always been one of the primary times that trainees focus on muscle gain.

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Good articles for you to read, and for anyone new to training, and concerned with nutritional properties.


Peace to you. And much success.


Chillen
 
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