how dangerous are steroids really?

[realworksuks]

I have been thinking about them lately.. what are the real dangers of them? All I learned in school is that your testicles will shrink and that you may have more rage..

What are the trade offs for using steroids?? Are there any safe ones? Are they worth it?

 

[g8r80]

I have been thinking about them lately.. what are the real dangers of them? All I learned in school is that your testicles will shrink and that you may have more rage..

What are the trade offs for using steroids?? Are there any safe ones? Are they worth it?

Not to insult your intelligence and to put this as mildly as I can...



















... BUT ARE YOU NIGGIN' FRUTS?!!! (Yes, I am shouting!)

First, they are illegal - you can go to prison.

Second, they destroy your liver because your liver considers these a toxin and tries to detoxify them (just like alcohol).

Third, the benefits are short-lived - you can't just cycle once and be done. Ya gotta keep doing it.

Fourth, they do interfere with testicular development.

Fifth, they cause a whole host of psychological / psychiatric problems leading to aberrant behavior (wrestler Chris Benoit is just one example).

Sixth, they stunt your growth

Seventh, heart problems

And a bunch of things that I have forgotten and you will learn if you google this topic.

DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Hardgainer17]

Totally agree, DO NOT DO RIODS!
When you said you learned this and that in school I presume you are in highschool/college. If you start using steriods your testies will shrink and I'm pretty sure not many girls would like a big man with small testies ha.
Just my theory.

 

[realworksuks]

if you go over to testesterone nation (another fitness forum) it doesn't seem like they have much of a problem with them.

Plus I think they are developing safer ones nowadays aren't they?

 

[evolution]

First, they are illegal - you can go to prison.

Depends on where you live if they are illegal or not.

Second, they destroy your liver because your liver considers these a toxin and tries to detoxify them (just like alcohol).

Some are hepatoxic. You're lumping all AAS into one catagory with similar impacts, and it's not like that.

Third, the benefits are short-lived - you can't just cycle once and be done. Ya gotta keep doing it.

What if you want them for short term goals? How you lose gains depends on training and diet post cycle for the most part.

Fourth, they do interfere with testicular development.

What if your testicles are fully developed? I think you're referring to a shut down of indogenous testosterone.

Fifth, they cause a whole host of psychological / psychiatric problems leading to aberrant behavior (wrestler Chris Benoit is just one example).

Not in all people. We only hear about those that go into "roid rages." Typically these people have a host of psychological problems to begin with and shouldn't be touching anything.

Sixth, they stunt your growth

There is this problem, but what if you're fully grown?

Seventh, heart problems

Problems?

And a bunch of things that I have forgotten and you will learn if you google this topic.

Google is like Wikipedia, you can get good information or bad information. has good write ups and summaries on AAS.

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I do want to say I neither condone nor endorse the use of AAS. I just like to see people properly educated before making opinions that are purely based on media hysteria and hype.

 

[matt182]

cancer
renal damage
tissue abnormalities

Nothing to boast about

 

[evolution]

if you go over to testesterone nation (another fitness forum) it doesn't seem like they have much of a problem with them.

T-Nation does have its own pro-steroid crowd. But they're also very quick to point out that AAS use is not to be taken lightly, and if you don't have proper training, diet, and experience down, etc then it's a complete waste of time and you setting yourself up for disapointment and possible injury.

Plus I think they are developing safer ones nowadays aren't they?

What makes certain drugs unsafe is the people who use them and the way they use them.

 

[goergen1]

We were talking about drugs on the gym the other day. I will also give you a little history about myself in order to give a broader picture of the topic.

The other day in the gym we were discussing the subject and decided that drugs end up being a crutch more than anything else. They prevent most people from developing proper training systems for themselves and most users tend to forget that the little things are more important since the chance on injury is higher. It seems to hinder the development of better training. (drug users have higher instances of muscle tears and tendon and ligament injuries)

At the elite level (pick a sport) people who do not use drugs have longer careers and less injuries. Drugs also end up being used to mask little injuries as opposed to dealing with the issue.

When I was in college, one of my training partners (who was the most juiced up guy I have ever met) told me not to bother taking anything until I hit my natural peak.

That was 12 years ago. I was 18. I have never hit a natural peak. I have been able to overcome all plateaus I have come to and have never hit a point in my life where I was unable to get results. (I have never even thought that I could not come up with a better way to get results) So I never ended up taking anything.

Personal opinion - You can achieve more than you think you can. Drugs cause a stifle in training smarts and creativity, and in the long run are not worth it.

You will get the opposite opinion from the drug using crowd, it will be backed up by some solid arguments and information.

Ultimately it is your choice to make.

 

[Nicolasd]

I honestly think that if you did steroids for a short period, and you did it right, got the stuff to make you grow, got the stuff to counter the estrogens so you don't get tits, cycled it and got the stuff to restart your hormones afterwards, it probably wouldn't be detrimental to your health.

But let's say you're not one the guys who get nasty sideeffects, and you don't mess up or someone sells you the wrong stuff, there you are, 6 months later, with a big beefy body. And you quit the roids.

Then you go to the gym. Your workout feels weak. You don't get pump. It's really hard work suddenly. You don't see progress (and you're probably really hooked on progress by now), you might even see a setback. All it takes to fix that is get some of the good stuff from that guy, and then load up the syringe and start shooting again.

Next thing you know, you've been on the stuff for youars, you're 250 pounds of lean muscle, way larger than you ever intended, and everyone knows you're a roid user just by looking at you. And that's seriously uncool.

Then one day you're going to be like my sister's bf, 37 years old, not using anymore but still big as a truck, but he feels weak and hates weight lifting because of it. He still has to lift weights though, because all that muscle just falls to pieces and leaves him looking like crap if he doesn't. He has bad back pains from pushing his body so far for so long. He can't fit any regular clothing. He has to watch what he eats a lot, he has to maintain that muscle but don't want to get fat (a battle he seems to be losing atm).

Whatever the internal damage he's done to himself on top of that I don't know, he's still young who knows what will pop up over the years.

I love progress too much, I hate it too much coming back to the weights after a break and being weaker, to ever dare go within an inch of steroids.

Steroids are dangerous long term, even if you avoid sideeffects they still mess your body up, and there's a very big psychological addiction factor to deal with. If you think you can control it, how many roid wrecks do you think started out saying that?

 

[Big_Idiot]

Yea dont need roids, can even give you things like internal bleeding. Steroids are cheating as most people say, if your wanting to become big just do it the hard/safe way - put hard work into it n it will pay off.
I got a mate whos 27 n he went of them for about 6 month n his muscle mass dramatically changed over that time, but he changed and had a verrrry short temper (although he did do cocaine aswel ) Hes off them now n hes lost loads of muscle mass so im thinking youll have to keep taking steroids to maintain your size or get bigger really.

 

[Typhon]

I have been thinking about them lately.. what are the real dangers of them?

The danger occurs when people who don't know what they're doing get hold of them.

Steroids are cheating as most people say,

Cheating who? They're only cheating if they're competeing in a sport where it's use is banned


p.s. Just to make this clear - I don't use them, I have neither the knowledge or the money to do it properly anyway, but I have seen examples of them used properly without all the side effects that the media love to put out there so I try and keep an open mind and don't judge people over them

 

[Big_Idiot]

I dont judge people over them either, i just listen to the negatives iv heard about them as theres a chance all of those negatives could happen (i personally wouldnt want to risk it).

When i say cheating, i just believe its cheating yourself and your body - i just dont see it as natural (my opinion)

Although if i was convinced of a safe way to take steroids i would have that shringe in my arse cheek now

 

[Nicolasd]

Yeah, I'm sure no one will benefit from untrue horror stories, because people will go to gyms and see guys who it is working out great for, and then think all the warnings are bogus.

But steroids and the other stuff you take are powerful drugs, and as they say medication without side effects don't have any effects either. If taken correctly it's probably not that bad for you short term, if you take it for a limited time, but I think most guys who try steroids end up using them a lot for a long time. And a lot of guys will also mess up at some point, they think they buy an estrogen suppressant but it's a cheap fake, they get overzealous and take too much or skip cycling, they run out of cash and can't afford the hormone restarters.

Shooting up for several years is just very risky and long term you will damage your body. And it's a very small minority that has the discipline to just use steroids to break a plateua or something like that. That's the real danger. A lot of smokers look real good now, but when they reach their 50s and 60s they start getting lung cancer. And when they started smoking they probably just intended to be cool at parties doing it once in a while, but they ended up doing it once every few hours.

 

[Hoss]

They prevent most people from developing proper training systems for themselves and most users tend to forget that the little things are more important since the chance on injury is higher. It seems to hinder the development of better training.


....When I was in college, one of my training partners (who was the most juiced up guy I have ever met) told me not to bother taking anything until I hit my natural peak.

IMO the best reason not to take them. If you can't full heartedly say you're ready and that you want to take them, then you're not ready. I'm with G, people come up with a 'natural peak' term to justify their use when really they need to be honest and understand they're just speeding up what they could have done naturally.

I don't condone or look down upon steroid use; but anyone who considers should be 110% educated inside and out.

 

[Streamline]

I honestly think that if you did steroids for a short period, and you did it right, got the stuff to make you grow, got the stuff to counter the estrogens so you don't get tits, cycled it and got the stuff to restart your hormones afterwards, it probably wouldn't be detrimental to your health.

Easier said than done. The thing is, once you're on the juice its incredibly hard to get off (so i've heard). I havn't expereinced this but it makes sense that after the initial quick gains you'll get along with being able to go for longer than usual in the weights and lift heavier weights that you'll feel like superman on roids. The thing is, once you get off, you won't feel so great and thus keep taking them...As far as your health goes, it's downhill from here on in.

 

[Nicolasd]

Easier said than done. The thing is, once you're on the juice its incredibly hard to get off (so i've heard). I havn't expereinced this but it makes sense that after the initial quick gains you'll get along with being able to go for longer than usual in the weights and lift heavier weights that you'll feel like superman on roids. The thing is, once you get off, you won't feel so great and thus keep taking them...As far as your health goes, it's downhill from here on in.

Yeah, that's exactly what I said in the rest of the post

 

[Hoss]

Easier said than done. The thing is, once you're on the juice its incredibly hard to get off (so i've heard). I havn't expereinced this but it makes sense that after the initial quick gains you'll get along with being able to go for longer than usual in the weights and lift heavier weights that you'll feel like superman on roids. The thing is, once you get off, you won't feel so great and thus keep taking them...As far as your health goes, it's downhill from here on in.

That all has to do with selfcontrol, that's like any other drug or even alcohol. Too much is obviously a bad thing, but I've seen controlled educated use done successfully without serious consequences.

 

[~LV~]

Gear complications are 9 outta 10 times due to either the un-educated individual or the abuser.

 

[Wrangell]

I have been thinking about them lately.. what are the real dangers of them? All I learned in school is that your testicles will shrink and that you may have more rage..

What are the trade offs for using steroids?? Are there any safe ones? Are they worth it?

First of all, doctors won't prescribe anabolic steroids to some young gym rat who's simply interested in the doc helping them build up their muscles.

Without a doctor's prescription, steroids are illegal...at least here in Canada anyway .........not sure of U.S. regulations.

btw - WHY are you thinking of taking them ? You sick ? Do you take part in some sort of ' elite ' level sport ? You wanna be a professional wrestler ?

 

[evolution]

Evo and Mreik both basically said what I would've said.

That's because we tag team and lay down the law!!!!

I like what G and LV said also.