Heart rate and exercise?

I recently joined the YMCA and will do at least 40 minutes 3x a week walking on a treadmill before hitting the weight room, the treadmill machines have a lot of computerized functions so right now I set the Incline to 2.0 and increase to 3.5 and go from 2.0 to 3.5 speed in a gradual sequence. I see the heart rate chart shows that at age 40 the recommended heart rate is 144 for high intensity, thing is for my HR to get to that point I would have to increase the speed to 4.0 or higher, my problem is that when I jog my right knee immediately starts hurting which is why I set my max walking speed at 3.5 so I won't have to jog.

Besides the problem discussed above, I would like to know how to efficiently work my heart for best results, my purpose is mainly to get a great cardio workout 3 times a week and even though I wish to lose some pounds my priority is cardio, keeping this in mind, can anyone help me with this heart rate and cardio issue please or provide any link which will help? I'm 44 going on 45, 5' 11" around 200lbs, thanks.
 
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I recently joined the YMCA and will do at least 40 minutes 3x a week walking on a treadmill before hitting the weight room, the treadmill machines have a lot of computerized functions so right now I set the Incline to 2.0 and increase to 3.5 and go from 2.0 to 3.5 speed in a gradual sequence. I see the heart rate chart shows that at age 40 the recommended heart rate is 144 for high intensity, thing is for my HR to get to that point I would have to increase the speed to 4.0 or higher, my problem is that when I jog my right knee immediately starts hurting which is why I set my max walking speed at 3.5 so I won't have to jog.

Besides the problem discussed above, I would like to know how to efficiently work my heart for best results, my purpose is mainly to get a great cardio workout 3 times a week and even though I wish to lose some pounds my priority is cardio, keeping this in mind, can anyone help me with this heart rate and cardio issue please or provide any link which will help? I'm 44 going on 45, 5' 11" around 200lbs, thanks.

Have your doctor check your knee first before getting into any type of workout program.
 
I had both my knees and elbows checked out but they can't find anything simply becuase the ache is not always there, and even when the joints ache they can't see anything using any type of apparatus [x-ray, MRI e.t.c] so they chalk it up to mild Arthritis.
 
144 is ass kicking.

220-age (40)=180 (max heart rate)

most stay between 60-70% (108-126 for you) some even like closer to 50%

I like about 75% (135 for you).....144 is 80% -usually that range is for hardcore endurance athletes


....and anyone feel free to correct me if this is an old fashioned idea, but I have always been taught if you do lifting and cardio in the same session you should lift first, then do cardio.
 
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I recently joined the YMCA and will do at least 40 minutes 3x a week walking on a treadmill before hitting the weight room, the treadmill machines have a lot of computerized functions so right now I set the Incline to 2.0 and increase to 3.5 and go from 2.0 to 3.5 speed in a gradual sequence. I see the heart rate chart shows that at age 40 the recommended heart rate is 144 for high intensity, thing is for my HR to get to that point I would have to increase the speed to 4.0 or higher, my problem is that when I jog my right knee immediately starts hurting which is why I set my max walking speed at 3.5 so I won't have to jog.

Besides the problem discussed above, I would like to know how to efficiently work my heart for best results, my purpose is mainly to get a great cardio workout 3 times a week and even though I wish to lose some pounds my priority is cardio, keeping this in mind, can anyone help me with this heart rate and cardio issue please or provide any link which will help? I'm 44 going on 45, 5' 11" around 200lbs, thanks.

Your knee starts to hurt at 4.0 mph. What about the incline ?

Let's say you stayed at a walking speed of 3.5 as you are doing now, but increased the incline from a level of 2.0 to perhaps something like a level of 4 - 7.

Any idea if your knee would also start to hurt once the incline is increased to a 4 - 7 level ?
 
I like about 75% (135 for you).....144 is 80% -usually that range is for hardcore endurance athletes

....and anyone feel free to correct me if this is an old fashioned idea, but I have always been taught if you do lifting and cardio in the same session you should lift first, then do cardio.

Yes, I feel good working at 135 although I've always felt that if you don't reach the point of total exhaustion that you haven't been working hard enough but I read an article on the net last week which says exactly the opposite that you should be able to carry on a conversation without being out of breath while working out for best cardio results.

Can you tell me why I should do lifting before cardio please?

Your knee starts to hurt at 4.0 mph. What about the incline ?
Let's say you stayed at a walking speed of 3.5 as you are doing now, but increased the incline from a level of 2.0 to perhaps something like a level of 4 - 7. Any idea if your knee would also start to hurt once the incline is increased to a 4 - 7 level ?

I tried working the incline at 5.0 and so far so good, started feeling a little pressure on my back but nothing major.
 
Can you tell me why I should do lifting before cardio please?

I'm afraid I can't give you a scientific explanation. I have always been told that it "puts you in a better fat burning mode" whatever that means.

For me, I just think I'd be too tired (and sweaty for that matter)to get a good lifting day in.


Diet and exercise are not exact sciences and 10 experts will likely give you 10 different opinions. Maybe try out both ways and see what works for you....or if you just plain like doing it the way you do it and you get good results then tell anyone who tells you to change to kiss your @$$:D
 
For me, I just think I'd be too tired (and sweaty for that matter)to get a good lifting day in.

I can agree with that, if lifting is your priority then do that first, I work cardio first for that same exact reason, it is my priority so I want to get the best out of it when I have the most energy.

Actually I really have to do some experimenting, the cardio is working very well for me and so are the light lifting but what I feel I'm missing are the Aerobic type exercises since it works every part of the body. Problem is I don't have time to do all 3 [Aerobics, lifting and Treadmill] and I don't want to give up the lifting so I am seriously thing about doing the Aerobics instead of the Treadmill, thing is I don't know if the Aerobics will give my heart as good or better a workout than Aerobics, advice?
 
I can agree with that, if lifting is your priority then do that first, I work cardio first for that same exact reason, it is my priority so I want to get the best out of it when I have the most energy.

Actually I really have to do some experimenting, the cardio is working very well for me and so are the light lifting but what I feel I'm missing are the Aerobic type exercises since it works every part of the body. Problem is I don't have time to do all 3 [Aerobics, lifting and Treadmill] and I don't want to give up the lifting so I am seriously thing about doing the Aerobics instead of the Treadmill, thing is I don't know if the Aerobics will give my heart as good or better a workout than Aerobics, advice?

Take a class and check your HR a few times during it. If you don't have a monitor (I don't). Take your pulse (neck is easiest for me) for 15 seconds and multiply it by 4, that's what I do when I go cycling.

..and I think lifting and cardio are equal for me. I just don't think lifting first would affect my cardio as much as cardio first would affect my lifting (unless maybe you do some serious leg work.) The point is moot for me because I separate them by about 4 hours. I understand most people don't have time for that. Not everyone can be a stay at home dad with a sugar mama:D


P.S.
Do you take glucosamine & condroitin for your knees? I recommend Move Free Advanced. Don't expect immediate relief, but over time it really helps
 
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I'll try having a talk with an instructor first to find out if the Aerobics can substitute for the Treadmill and take it from there, will report back here. I don't take anything for my knee becuase I don't have any problems whatsoever with it unless I jog or run, are you saying that I should consider taking the medicine becuase it will help my jogging?
 
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I'll try having a talk with an instructor first to find out if the Aerobics can substitute for the Treadmill and take it from there, will report back here. I don't take anything for my knee becuase I don't have any problems whatsoever with it unless I jog or run, are you saying that I should consider taking the medicine becuase it will help my jogging?

hmmm...Maybe you should ask your doc. I'd think it could be helpful if you have pain while excercising. It really isn't a drug, just a natural supplement. Some people even take it purely as a preventative. I sprained my knee hiking once and had no choice but to continue walking on it for 5 miles. Ever since then I had problems until the Move Free.
 
I will definitely give this item a chance, did some research after your referal and it looks like something I can use, got a sprained forefinger and elbow joints that could use some help, thanks! Will let you know how I do with it.
 
I tried working the incline at 5.0 and so far so good, started feeling a little pressure on my back but nothing major.

Good to hear, because you may be able to manipulate the incline levels to help you develop somne cardio fitness.

The fastest way to improve cardio fitness is to do what is called interval training ( not to be confused with High Intensity Interval Training ( HIIT ) ) or what is sometimes referred to as ' wind sprints '. I've used ' wind sprints ' a lot on treadmills and rowers and elipticals etc. etc. over the years.

' Wind sprints ' interval training involves a work interval and a recovery interval. The work-to-recovery interval ratio can be 1:2, 1:3, 1:4 more. For example, a 1:4 work / recovery ratio for someone might be jogging for 1 minute ( work ), followed by walking for 4 minutes ( recovery ). Or is could just as easly be 30 seconds jogging ( work ) followed by 2 minutes walking ( reovery ). The times you use for work and recovery intervals are up to you.

' Wind sprints ' just means you have to get out of breath when you jog ( as an example ) for 1 minute during the work interval ...you don't have to go blazing fast to get there...that is NOT what is meant by "sprint " in this context. Sprint means to to get winded , not to go fat . The recovery interval is still 4 minutes of light jogging or walking, but you are recovering and catching your breath while you continue to jog or walk during this 4 minutes. This is what builds your fitness level....your heart having to recover from the work interval while you're still running or walking for 4 minutes.

In your case, you can walk at a steady 3.5 mph for entire 30 minute ' wind sprint ' workout. Warm up for 5 minutes at 3.5 mph @ incline level 1. Then bump the incline to something like level 6 @ 3.5 mph for 20,40, 60 seconds ( just enough to get your out of breath for a short time ) - this is your work interval. And, then drop it back down to incline level 1.0 @ 3.5 mph for 2 or 3 minutes till you get almost all your breath bacj ( but not 100% back ) - this is your recovery interval. Do this work / recovery interval set 4 or 5 times if you can followed by a cool down.

So, the key thing to remember about this form of interval training, if you want to get fit, is the importance of the recovery interval and NOT the work interval. The recovery interval is the key to improved fitness, as it trains your heart to continue exercising at a steady pace while under duress ( recovery mode from the work interval ).
 
That's SUPER advice, thank you very much!!! Will start working on this today and let you know how it goes. I've always seen every now and then someone on a Treadmill next to me would be walking at a steady pace then all of a sudden kick off running for a few minutes then go back to walking and keep repeating this process and I've always wondered if they know what they are doind, I'd always thought that they would simply run for as long as they can then coninue walking until they can run again not knowing that there was a method to this madness so to speak.

I have to be honest with you though, I am looking forward to doing this for another main reason than for Cardio effectiveness itself, the reason, sweat! I like to sweat when working out becuase it makes me feel like I am working out, I like to feel the sweat "running" off of me but I don't this with my present workouts. It's only when I get to the max of my treadmill speed and incline would I start feeling some sweat "dripping" [not running] down my face, this has even tempted me to purchase a vinyl sweat suit, only reason I didn't buy it was becuase I read of the danger or risk of dehydration when using that suit.

Anyway, the interval training should bring the sweat everytime I hit the work interval, get back to you tomorow, can't wait to try this out this evening.
 
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Ok, here's the skinny on what happened at the Gym last night. First I spoke to a weightroom instructor on the Aerobics vs treadmill issue, he said that the treadmill is more for endurance purposes even though it gives you a good cardio workout but that the Aerobics would be better for the same exact reason as you've advised, interval workout! Hes said the instructors increase and decrease the level of intensity frequently so you work your heart rate at the it's optimum level, he suggested that I can do 15 minutes on the treadmill before doing the aerobics and still do the lifting all in one workout. The only problem I am running into with this are the times of the Aerobics classes so I am not sure at this point that Aerobics will become a part of my regular schedule but I will still try to take it as often as possible.

Since I can't rely on the Aerobics becuase of what's explained above, I will continue to make the treadmill workout my bread and butter, so to speak. Last night, I started with 5 minutes 3.0 speed and 3.0 incline as a warmup, then increased the speed to 3.5 and the incline to 6.0 for 2 minutes [becuase that's how long it took for me to get a ltitle short of breath] then I
went down to 3.0 on the incline for 90 seconds [because that's how long it took for my breathing to get back to normal], I kept on doing this until the last 5 minutes when I did the work interval for 4 minutes then the 5 minute cool down to end the workout.

What I noticed about myself from the above workout is that I recover quickly and I think I need a little more intense work interval, at 2 minutes work interval I was taking really 75 seconds to get my breathing back to normal, at 4 minutes work interval I was taking close to 2minutes to get my breathing back to normal. What can you make of this pelase? Where am I going worng and what can I do to make it better please? Would appreciate your analysis and suggestion, thanks!
 
Ok, here's the skinny on what happened at the Gym last night. First I spoke to a weightroom instructor on the Aerobics vs treadmill issue, he said that the treadmill is more for endurance purposes even though it gives you a good cardio workout but that the Aerobics would be better for the same exact reason as you've advised, interval workout! Hes said the instructors increase and decrease the level of intensity frequently so you work your heart rate at the it's optimum level, he suggested that I can do 15 minutes on the treadmill before doing the aerobics and still do the lifting all in one workout. The only problem I am running into with this are the times of the Aerobics classes so I am not sure at this point that Aerobics will become a part of my regular schedule but I will still try to take it as often as possible.

Since I can't rely on the Aerobics becuase of what's explained above, I will -continue to make the treadmill workout my bread and butter, so to speak.

Last night, I started with 5 minutes 3.0 speed and 3.0 incline as a warmup, then increased the speed to 3.5 and the incline to 6.0 for 2 minutes [becuase that's how long it took for me to get a ltitle short of breath] then I
went down to 3.0 on the incline for 90 seconds [because that's how long it took for my breathing to get back to normal], I kept on doing this until the last 5 minutes when I did the work interval for 4 minutes then the 5 minute cool down to end the workout.

What I noticed about myself from the above workout is that I recover quickly and I think I need a little more intense work interval, at 2 minutes work interval I was taking really 75 seconds to get my breathing back to normal, at 4 minutes work interval I was taking close to 2minutes to get my breathing back to normal. What can you make of this pelase? Where am I going worng and what can I do to make it better please? Would appreciate your analysis and suggestion, thanks!

Well done !

First of all, as with anything new, you have to go thru an intial process of ' trial & error ' to find an interval protocol that you feel best meets your needs.

Remember, there are a few variables you can play with here when it comes to interval training, for example ,in your case it's the duration, speed and incline of your intervals when walking......

- vary the duration of the work interval up or down
- vary the speed of the work interval up or down
- vary the incline of the work interval up or down
- vary the duration of the recovery interval up or down
- vary the speed of the recovery interval up or down
- vary the incline of the recovery interval up or down


So, in your case, you started at...

work.......2 minutes at level 6 @ 3.5 mph
recover.....1.5 minutes at level level 3 @ 3.5 mph​

...but found it wasn't taxing you enough. Fair enough.

That protocol is 1 to .75. IMO, you want to try and extend the time your heart is recovering under duress - the goal is to try and get your heart to ' adapt ' to be able to function effectively under more stress. So, with some other people, you may see the usual protocol closer to something like 1:2 - for some, it might be 1:1, 1:3, 1:4 depending on your fitness level etc. tc. . Again there is no hard and fast rule - so you simply have to play around with the variables ( I noted above ) for a bit. For example, let's say you want to try and stick to a 1:2 protocol and you want to try for 1 minute of work and 2 minutes of recovery. You might try, just as an example, options like.....

work - 1 minute at level 10+ @ 3.5 mph
or,
work - 1 minute at level 6 + @ 6 mph ( if your knees can handle it )

etc. etc.​


now to recover, you might opt for an interval a bit more ' active '. You might try, just as an example, options like.....

recover - 2 minute at level 5 @ 3.5 mph ( assuming you do level 10+ @ 3.5 mph )
or,
work - 2 minutes at level 4 @ 4 mph ( assuming you do level 6 + @ 6 mph​


...you get the idea. Generally speaking, the harder and longer you go in your work interval, the longer it will take you to get your breath back in your recovery interval. And of course, how hard you go in your work interval is a function of how fit your are - and how well your knees hold up ! :)
 
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Thanks a million, the knee was fine yesterday and I forgot to mention that I got the most sweat so far with the workout yesterday, half my t-shirt was wet. I will increase the work interval a little and will soon try to jog and see what happens.:)
 
Thanks a million, the knee was fine yesterday and I forgot to mention that I got the most sweat so far with the workout yesterday, half my t-shirt was wet. I will increase the work interval a little and will soon try to jog and see what happens.:)

No problem. :)

Just take your time and take 2 or 3 sessions to play around with the variables I mentioned to you, untill you find that ' sweet spot ' interval protocol that works best for you - i.e not too hard but not too easy.

FYI - on ' sweating '. Sweat is simply a way to cool your body down - cooling yourself when sweat evaporates from your skin, causes your body heat to drop.

Actually, the irony is, ( just my opinion mind you ) the more fit you get, you'll find you tend to sweat quicker and you tend to sweat more as your fitness improves. As you might expect, it is influenced by a bunch of factors just beyond your fitness level like....high temperatures, humidity ( i.e makes evaporation tougher ) , exercise intensity, clothing and genetics ( i.e the number of actual sweat glands you have...some have more , some have less ...a low of 2 million and a high of 5 million I think is the range ..or close to that ) .

Keep in mind, everyone is different .....you could be really fit and sweat a lot even during an easy workout or you could be really out of shape and sweat very little - even with intense exercise. It varies with the individual.
 
Had a really good workout last night, this time I purposely did not work with time and I experimented with both work and recovery intervals. I started with 3.0 incline for a 2 minute warmup, bumped that to 4 as my recovery then bumped to 7 for as long as it took me to feel like I'm working and when I started breathing heavy, I think this takes about 4-5minutes then I go down to 4,0 until whenever I feel my breathing is back to normal which takes around 2 minutes, I felt really good with the above workout, working out without timing the recovery and work intervals, is this good or do I have to time them?
 
Had a really good workout last night, this time I purposely did not work with time and I experimented with both work and recovery intervals. I started with 3.0 incline for a 2 minute warmup, bumped that to 4 as my recovery then bumped to 7 for as long as it took me to feel like I'm working and when I started breathing heavy, I think this takes about 4-5minutes then I go down to 4,0 until whenever I feel my breathing is back to normal which takes around 2 minutes, I felt really good with the above workout, working out without timing the recovery and work intervals, is this good or do I have to time them?

As I said before, if it were me, I'd try and shoot for a work / recovery interval ratio of 1:2 or 1:3.

So, doing a work interval of 5 minutes to a recovery interval of 2 minutes as you're doing now is a ratio of 1:0.4. If you can, to drop your work interval time from 5 minutes to 1 minute or so, perhaps you can still bump up the speed or incline ( or both ) so your work interval lasts only about 1 minute or so. Then you can recover for the next 2/3 minutes or so. Again, the idea is to use the recovery intervals to condition your heart for improved fitness,
 
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