Cohen's Lifestyle Forgive me Dr. Cohen for I have deviated

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Mermaid_sister

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ok, so this was some one elses (and I forget whos) idea and I'm doing it, we all need to confess, get off our chest and most importantly re-focus and support each other and get back on track.

So out with it people! this is confession!

Last night I ate pad thai because I felt like crap and it made me feel so much better! I like to see it as stepping off the wagon rather than falling. What I didn't need tho was the ice cream later on.... boy am I gonna pay for that!

I am not going to weigh myself or give in to cravings that have resulted!
 
ok, so this was some one elses (and I forget whos) idea and I'm doing it, we all need to confess, get off our chest and most importantly re-focus and support each other and get back on track.

So out with it people! this is confession!

Last night I ate pad thai because I felt like crap and it made me feel so much better! I like to see it as stepping off the wagon rather than falling. What I didn't need tho was the ice cream later on.... boy am I gonna pay for that!

I am not going to weigh myself or give in to cravings that have resulted!

Pad-Thai and Ice-Cream....that is not stepping of the wagon that is jumping off and breaking your leg!

Bad bad bad very naughty, no excuse for that :eek: , you should have deviated with style without the carbs attack! At least a green chicken curry without rice would have been better choice, BBQ chicken without the skin with salad (not potato), grilled crayfish with cream butter sauce washed down with a white wine, even a few satays. Better stop before I make myself hungry...!
 
hey lessfatty,

true I could have deviated with style, maybe some oysters with thai lime and corriander dressing and a big salad with some funky dressing, and a bloody mary (don't get me started on bloody mary!) but the truth is I wouldn't have deviated if my blood sugar wasn't at an all time low, truth is I didn't enjoy the pad thai itself, but the energy I got from it. My consultant has contacted Dr. Cohen regarding my problem and so in the meantime I am on an extra 2-3 crackers a day and an extra piece of fruit until he replies with a solution because I don't want to have to resort to carbs everytime I feel like that- I felt like I could sleep all day and night and was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open- not helpful during my last week of uni. I know, no excuse but I am over it and feeling a bit better with some sugar in my system! back to cohen friendly soup tonight
 
hey lessfatty,

true I could have deviated with style, maybe some oysters with thai lime and corriander dressing and a big salad with some funky dressing, and a bloody mary (don't get me started on bloody mary!) but the truth is I wouldn't have deviated if my blood sugar wasn't at an all time low, truth is I didn't enjoy the pad thai itself, but the energy I got from it. My consultant has contacted Dr. Cohen regarding my problem and so in the meantime I am on an extra 2-3 crackers a day and an extra piece of fruit until he replies with a solution because I don't want to have to resort to carbs everytime I feel like that- I felt like I could sleep all day and night and was so tired I couldn't keep my eyes open- not helpful during my last week of uni. I know, no excuse but I am over it and feeling a bit better with some sugar in my system! back to cohen friendly soup tonight


Oysters with Thai Lime and corriander...YES sounds great, I will have 1 dozen...can you send them to me in Tokyo?

I would also be eating some extra apples and crackers during the day, if I had such low blood sugar problems.
 
Hi Mermaid_sister

Isn't low blood sugar caused by the actual order you eat your food in?

Perhaps you are eating back to front, hence the reaction.

What order are you eating in? Think about it - what is the first thing you put in your stomach each day: This causes a reaction, and if the reaction is a drop in blood sugar then it will be followed by an insulin surge, and it is the peaks and troughs which cause the problem.

Perhaps you can look at your patterns, be very honest, what is the first drink, what is the first mouthful of food. There will be a technical reason for this and you should not physically 'need' anything other than what is proscribed on your program.

If you 'emotionally' need something, then that is a separate issue, after all the program is about losing fat deposits and is not a panacea for all ills (more's the pity!)

Seriously, please post the sequence of eating / drinking.

For example, I have not felt hungry since 4th February even though I officially finished the program 24th June. At no time was I dizzy, weak, nervous, grumpy, had any cravings, zip, zilch, nothing!

My pattern was 500 ml warm tap water, coffee, Meal #1: yoghurt with fruit, mid morning apple with crispbread, Meal #2 , Meal #3, fruit. The other crispbread got eaten somewhere along the line but in accordance with the crispbread rules. I ate everything every day, even if Meal #3 was quite late after an evening appointment eg 11.30pm. Two to three litres of water throughout the day.

Each body is different, but if you are eating protein first thing - and I mean first before any other food type at all, your insulin levels should be stable for the day.

Hope this helps.

Regarding deviating: For one meal, you delay your own progress one week.

Another week, that's seven days, that's 21 meals, that's how much water, how much diligence, for just one careless meal!

I had three such silly meals, and they really did slow me down by three weeks. They weren't such great meals or treats, either, tasted like cardboard in fact. Why kid ourselves? This is a perfect program, just do it and you will be finished that much quicker.

Is one deviation worth one week?

Smell it instead. You will be amazed how smelling the food will satisfy you emotional need to eat it.

Keep Going.

Chelsea

PS, I am a bit concerned that your consultant has directed you to eat more crispbread. This could be a serious deviation for you without addressing the problem. Make sure you eat no more than two crispbread at a time and at least two & half hours between each serving. Do not eat the fruit before protein in the morning - if possible eat it as part of a meal or as a second course at the same sitting. Make sure you drink plenty of water and keep the supply constant.

Let us know how you go.
 
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Hello

I deviated too, it was on Tuesday night, but i don't think i did too bad i had some satay chicken and vegies, it was so yummy .
For weeks i was feeling like something different, something that my husband was eating and it kept getting worse, i hate watching him eat m&ms and KFC and what ever over crap he eats, but now that i have done it it is completely out of my system.

I'm on track and looking closer to my goal, which i hope to be at by my birthday in Feburary.

Anyway, i don't want anyone bagging me out about it cause at the end of the day I am human and i think i could have deviated alot worse than I actually did but chose not too.

ANYWAY seeya all later.
dianne
 
I have a little different opinion to Chelsea. If you are suffering from even moderate hypogalacima and feeling tired, sleepy with zero energy then having a few extra Crackers and Fruit as suggested by your consultant will not be a big problem; but pad-thia and icecream :eek: . Just think of what you ate everyday in comparison to the strict Cohen diet, if you now eat a Cohen diet plus some extra (fruit, crackers) I honestly believe you will lose weight, just at a more moderate pace.

It has been my experience that deviations dont cause one week delay in weight loss, however as Chelsea mentions it does happen. I just came back from a 6 day holiday in which I had 12 meals that deviated (basically every meal except breakfast) and the effect was that I just stopped losing weight during those days, since my return and return to full Cohen my weigh loss has continued as before. I will admit that none of the 12 meals I ate where carb based meals; all meals where in some way proteins (even if mixed proteins) and vegetables, some had sugar in the sauces or cooked with some oil.

When I started after the first three days of feeling bad, I felt much better, yet for most of the first month I was feeling hungry (not starving) for most of the day. Now (14 weeks) I dont feel that same empty/cold hunger. I think changing from what I ate to Cohen foods was quite a shock for my body...and it took weeks for my hormones and metabolism to adjust.

Dr Cohen reviews a full blood test before the program to make sure everyone is healthy enough to start the program, I think there is no way around the fact that Cohen diet creates a rapid and quite a dramatic change in our metabolisms that causes a range of issues/problems for many who start the diet

Chelsea, if you read this: Good news; today I weighed in at 97KG :D that's a 26KG down since I started, just 7KG more until I reach the weight 90KG that Dr Cohen recommended for me. Although I personally think that 90KG is a little overweight for my body type and that mid 80's is more appropriate. My body fat is still around 27%, which suggest I need to lose another 10~12% of my total weight to reach the 15% body fat target I set myself.
 
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Wee-yaa!

Lessfatty, you are doing great!

97 kilos is wonderful. As I mentioned from my own experience, if I had known how stable the end weight is, I would have gone down to the lower end of the goal weight. Even at this weight I can grab a handful of blubber from my waist, and still have a squidgy belly. Another couple of kilos would, I think, have taken care of most of that.



Regarding the deviations, I did not lose weight in each of the three weeks I ate the deviant meals.

As I was on the program for 20 weeks, literally I could have finished in the same time but 3 kilos lower as my steady loss had been at the rate of 1 kilo per week.



It's not the deviations which I was concerned about with Mermaid_sister's story, rather that eating more carbohydrate would not seem to be appropriate as it prolongs the blood sugar / insulin see saw. Perhaps her program may need adjusting in food amounts or how she eats the food.

Eating more crispbread may not, in itself be a problem, but using more crispbread is akin to having a spoonful of sugar - a quick hit which may cause more problems once that food has been metabolised.

The consultant has done the right thing in referring to Dr Cohen for an opinion, but my concerns are to look at the problem first rather than be too quick to suggest a solution.
 
Chelsea

this is my pattern

wake up, water with vitamins and my pill, the brekkie which is always without fail 175g yogurt (eggs for some reason make me feel nauseas)

then about 11ish I have an apple and maybe a crispbread or two

then luch about 1.30ish I have tuna and salad or cheese and celery (depending if I'm at uni or not)

then 4pmish when I start work I have an orange and maybe 1-2 crispbread (again it always depends on how hungry/flat I am)

then dinner about 6.30-7pm either beef or chicken in george foreman grill with steamed veg, or the equivelent into a soup with 2cups water (fills me up)

If I'm not at work, my 2nd fruit is usually after dinner, not before.

the water is always pretty consistent during the day, particularly between and straight after meals.

The deviation was not emotional (at least I don't think it was) I was to give me the energy to study that night and it worked, it woke me right up and I was able to concentrate, which is a good sign, as my body is obviously learning to convert carbs to energy however I would like to be able to resolve tiredness like that without carbs.

yeash, definetely waiting for what Dr. Cohen says, I hope he adjusts my program, otherwise it will be impossible to stick to!

thanks so much chelsea and lessfattty for your concerns it means alot

take care

xx bec
 
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Hi Bec

Hope you're feeling better today.

From various comments you have made over time, I wouldn't be surprised if you weren't suffering a stress reaction:

You're at university, you have exams, you have filming commitments, you work in the evenings, you are on a strict diet, and you are rapidly losing weight. What else are you dealing with at the moment?

Looking at your eating pattern, you are not introducing carbohydrate into your system until late morning. Fair enough, but you are also eating fruit later. Why not try having one crispbread immediately after the yoghurt, or having one of your fruits eg a kiwi fruit with the yoghurt. This gives you a carbohydrate and sugar boost early in the day without an insulin spike. The protein in the yoghurt will moderate the insulin response to the fruit and / or crispbread.

Also, your dinner seems to be very bland. Why not introduce a tasty marinade then cook your marinated meat in a casserole or a non-stick frypan rather than using the grill and steaming the vegetables most of the time.

For example, if you put the ingredients for dinner in a casserole with the meat in a slosh of balsamic vinegar, just score the meat, don’t cut it up, and sprinkle dry mustard powder or chilli flakes and other dried herbs such as coriander, oregano or powdered ginger over the meat, then put the chopped vegetables on top, when you come home just add one cup of water and put it in the oven for an hour while you have a rest for a bit, you may find the meal more satisfying rather than rushing all the time.

If you are going to work, cook the dinner the evening before, then it’s only a quick reheat in the microwave and the flavours will have had a chance to develop.

I found the casserole the most interesting meal, and now that I am back to family meals (my husband does all the cooking) I quite miss the casseroles. You get soup, too, so it makes two courses in one go!

The body does not recognise the crispbread as starch if the portion is two crispbread or less and there is at least two & half hours between each portion. Consider spacing your five crispbread out over the day – one each at breakfast, lunch and dinner and the other two as snacks. Don’t forget rice cakes for variety if they are on your program. I much prefer vita wheat to any other crispbread but occasionally had the rice cakes or the Premium Lites (yes, I know they’ve been removed) just to make a change.

I still take the zip lock bag with crispbread around with me, one vita wheat snaps into six ‘crisps’ so that’s six crunchy mouthfuls, and a change of taste. After all the water there is no taste left in the mouth, and that can be a bit wishy washy after a while.

Bec, this program is producing significant change, and no matter how much you may want the end result, do not underestimate the dramatic shift not only in the obvious, but also within the body as it goes about it’s chemical workings, and also emotionally and physiologically.

There can be a lot of grief in losing weight – after all, we are ‘losing’ ourself. Lots of ourself. For me, it was 30% of my body weight, for you it will be nearly half!

It is a very brave thing to face up to, that we are obese and finally, we don’t want to be this way any more. Whatever caused us to hide in our fat, we are jail breaking but it is very scary, takes a lot of diligence but most importantly, a lot of love for ourselves.

Loving ourselves also includes being respectful of ourselves, and recognising the work we are doing. This means we must not spend our whole waking day rushing from one thing to another. Wizzing in the door only to rush straight back out again! Somehow, somewhere in the day, even if it is only while driving between places, take an extra five minutes, drive a little slower, put on some music, just cruise for a bit.

You don’t have to be superhuman. You are only young (we are all, only young!), slow down just a tad and let your body catch up.

When you eat, stop whatever else you are doing and focus on the eating. Sit down. Use a knife and fork. Put your water in a clean glass and drink it slowly. Sit square to the table, not one leg out the side ready to rush off again. Be there, in the moment, for whatever you are doing.

Most of all, when you go to bed, before you go to sleep lie flat on your back, straighten yourself into a long position, tilt your chin up a little, and listen to your day. Thank yourself, tell yourself how proud you are of your achievements today, remind yourself ‘I did pretty well today’. Then roll over and go to sleep.

I come from an ‘interesting’ background. Statistically, I should be bitter and twisted and all mixed up. I could have chosen to live my life that way – who could have blamed me? But instead I chose to be fully in love with life, grateful for each day, thrilled with all the trivia of each moment, and always, always, thank God and myself before I go to sleep

Bec, whether or not this ‘blip’ will be solved with another crispbread does not matter. It seems to me that your tiredness is entirely natural, but that the weakness and nausea could come from simply – doing too much over too long a period of time.

Now that uni is nearly over, and before you start working like a mad thing to earn money for Christmas and the holidays, allow yourself some time to catch up with yourself. Sleep sounds like a good idea, too!

Take care of yourself, Oh Magical Shrinking Bec!

Cheers

Chelsea

... and that goes for all the rest of you Happy Cohenites, too!!
 
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Chelsea,

You truely are the "yoda" of this forum (sorry, huge Star Wars fan here) thankyou so much for your wonderful advice. I have realised now that the stress has taken over my body and I plan on sticking to Cohens 110% from today onwards and also seeking professional help to finally face 'my demons' I realise that I am the over achiever trying to prove way to much to the world, always focusing on what I should do next as opposed to what I have done and in the end it all becomes to much. Much of my sickness is triggered from stress such as colds/nausea/tiredness and its really a change in mental state I'm needing, not a change in my program. I will take your advice on cooking the meat and also hope to learn to appreciate myself for once especially when I go to bed because usually I run around in circles in my head thinking of what I have to do the next day when I finally lay down. Hopefully by next week after my first appointment with this councellor I will be on my way to a much more relaxed and positive me, not just a skinny one, because in the end being happy and healthy is the best thing we can do for ourselves, I'm only tackling half of that equation with Cohens.

take care xx
 
Bec,

Sounds a bloody good plan.

it's only when we accept there is something wrong that we can start to change it.

asy :D
 
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