Sport Fitday and going overboard on RDA's

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Hi, I've been using Fitday for a week and a half now and I've noticed that I've been really surpassing the Recommended Daily Allowances on some of the vitamins and metals. For example:
Yesterday, 225% vitamin A, 250% vitamin b6, b12 240%, calcium 200%, folate 180%, cholesterol 1300 mg!, iron 300%, phosphorus 250%, riboflavin 250%, selenium 400%!. Is this based on a 2000 calorie diet? I try to eat around 3500-4000 kcal daily, but as you can see for some of them, I still go overboard. Are there any health hazards/impediments? Thanks

Also, what would you guys recommend for someone who is trying to gain weight (muscle mass) currently, should I go easy on the fat? I usually eat about 1000kcal of fat a day. Should I lower the intake? How should my macronutrients be rationed?

Thank you very much.

PS: I used to weigh 150 lbs, I've gained 4-5 lbs in the past week and a half due to the doubling of my caloric intake
 
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1. yes its based on 2,000 calorie diet
2. its the MINIMUM recommended daily allowance to stay healthy
3. its designed around the average American...who doesn't exercise and doesn't have 'extra needs'

For example, the US RDA for protein for a grown man is 60grams. That's like 2 small steaks, or one good sized ribeye. A day.

The RDA's are part of the reason this country is obese.
 
60 grams isn't even one dinner for me :D

Yeah, don't worry about high RDA numbers.. there are only a few things you can actually go overboard with that will have health consequences, but it's usually very hard to do so.
 
60 grams isn't even one dinner for me :D

Yeah, don't worry about high RDA numbers.. there are only a few things you can actually go overboard with that will have health consequences, but it's usually very hard to do so.

What about yolk, I usually eat a 5-egg omelette a day, that's 1500mg of cholesterol...that can't be good can it?
 
Do your parents have a history of bad cholesterol?

Are you a hyper-responder to dietary cholesterol?

Cuz for most people, genetics not dietary intake, is the reason they have bad cholesterol levels.

That said, you can always use fewer yolks and more whites to lower fat and cholesterol intake.
 
What about yolk, I usually eat a 5-egg omelette a day, that's 1500mg of cholesterol...that can't be good can it?

The only concern with that is if dietary cholesterol significantly increases your blood LDL cholesterol. For most people it does not, but it does for a non-trivial minority of people. There is not really an easy way to tell except by having your blood cholesterol tested after a while of eating the high egg diet.

Men and women past child bearing age who have hemochromatosis genes need to limit their iron intake, because high iron intake will result in damagingly high accumulation of iron in the liver, heart, pancreas, etc..
 
I hate the RDA. It's such a conspiracy. The USDA and FDA have studies from the same exact Food and Nutrition Board that they used to base the requirements off of that say athletes need between 1.4 and 1.7 g/kg in protein. They also have other information that shows no ill effects at up to 2.7 g/kg and prove that there is no correlation between cancer, osteoporosis, kidney disease etc, except for people that already have existing kidney conditions. And increased protein has actually been found to increase bone density at times. There are tons of studies showing decreased risk of heart disease, cardiovascular issues, lower cholesterol, better body fat ratio, and other things due to increased protein and lower carbs.

They also acknowledge that the RDA for carbs necessary is 130g/day, yet they still set it at 300g/day. So they know that people need more protein and less carbs, yet they reduce the protein and increase the carbs. Why? Carbs taste good, and they're cheap. Protein is not.

So that's what I think about the RDA, in a nutshell :D
 
Three thoughts:

Thought #1-Fitday is completely inaccurate in terms of how many calories it says a given substance contains (A Rum and Coke for example). As stated before it is designed for the average American looking for a rough estimate of what they are consuming.

Thought #2-Calorie counting is important, BUT only if the rest of your diet is in order. If you don't eat every two hours. If you don't have a solid foundation of vegetables and lean proteins. If you don't eat your fats, proteins, and carbohydrates together. THEN YOU ARE SPINNING YOUR WHEELS BY COUNTING CALORIES. This is exactly why Weight Watchers doesn't work. If my client tells me she ate 3,000 calories in cheesecake, should I tell her to starve herself for the rest of the day?

Thought #3-Cholesterol is actually not always a bad thing, and is actually a PRECURSOR TO TESTOSTERONE. It's SUBSTANCES THAT CAUSE YOUR BODY TO MANUFACTURE EXCESS CHOLESTEROL you want to worry about, NOT BUTTER AND EGG YOLKS.

Jake
 
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Thought #2-Calorie counting is important, BUT only if the rest of your diet is in order. If you don't eat every two hours. If you don't have a solid foundation of vegetables and lean proteins. If you don't eat your fats, proteins, and carbohydrates together. THEN YOU ARE SPINNING YOUR WHEELS BY COUNTING CALORIES. This is exactly why Weight Watchers doesn't work. If my client tells me she ate 3,000 calories in cheesecake, should I tell her to starve herself for the rest of the day?

It's not necessary to eat every 2 hours. It's not necessary to eat every 3 hours.

I'm going to assume you haven't read about IF (intermittent fasting). Check it out...awesome things are happening to people on the IF diet. It involves not eating for up to 16-18 hours.

And weight watchers works just fine. If a person makes stupid choices and eats 3000 kcals through cheesecake, it's not weight watchers fault...it's the persons fault. Weight watchers works for people that work the program.

And in order to lose weight, a person has to be in a calorie deficiency or caloric surplus. Counting calories will give you this tool to know if you're up or down in calories compared to BMR.
 
RE: evolutionX

I am very familiar with both fasting and creating caloric deficits/surpluses for weight loss/hypertropy.

Blaming the client in the Weight Watchers case, still didn't answer the Weight Watchers dilemma. What does the fitness professional do?

You provided one OPINION of ONE internet physiologist, about ONE antiquated study (12 years is an eternity in the world of biochemistry), about the effect of meal frequency on metabolic rate, NOT as it pertains to the entire gamut of wellness and weight loss. Ideally, we'd all be strapped to IV bags feeding us constantly at an incredibly slow rate. Constant source of readily and constantly available energy=better results. It's not rocket science.

Lastly, I work with tons of doctors, nurses, nutritionists, dietitians, athletic trainers, physical therapists, coaches and other trainers, and have never had any one of them recommend not eating for 18 hours. Even on a cleanse, the body NEEDS calories. Fasting for religious purposes is one thing, but fasting for physical benefit is just pure ignorance.

Jake
 
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Blaming the client in the Weight Watchers case, still didn't answer the Weight Watchers dilemma. What does the fitness professional do?

Assuming one is working the Weight Watchers program correctly, they're not eating 3000 kcals of cheese cake. Because if this is the case, we have more issues than just weight loss. We now have to teach the client what correct nutrition is and what it looks like. I just happen to like weight watchers because it took my mother and 12 of her friends from obesity down to a normal weight and body fat level. We're assuming that by going on Weight Watchers that we're creating a life style change through diet and exercise. But you can either tell your client, "sorry, you're done with eating for the day...let's look at ways we can make improvements for tomorrow." Or since 1day does not a bad nutrition intake break physical changes, you clean up the rest of the day and look at ways to make improvements the following days. However, it's still not necessary to eat every 2 hours. At a minimum, we're looking at 4 hour breakdowns of amino acids and this is considering they're eating nothing but straight protein. With the combination of carbs, fats, and fibers, we're looking in the 6-8 hour or more range.

Here is an article that cites numerous studies on meal frequency:

Look, I'm not saying that a person shouldn't eat every X amount of hours. And I'm not saying fasting is the way to go (I don't follow fasting). All I'm saying is it's not necessary to eat every 2 hours. For most people it's not practical and would lead to burn out for most people.

You provided one OPINION of ONE internet physiologist, about ONE antiquated study (12 years is an eternity in the world of biochemistry), about the effect of meal frequency on metabolic rate, NOT as it pertains to the entire gamut of wellness and weight loss. Ideally, we'd all be strapped to IV bags feeding us constantly at an incredibly slow rate. Constant source of readily and constantly available energy=better results. It's not rocket science.

Yes and true. But he has a ton of more articles and research on his site that you can look at. But, for the most part, if sensible macronutrient intake is set up, meal frequency is just not that big of a deal. Sure, 4 meals is better than 1 and etc but 4 vs 6 really isn't and etc.

Lastly, I work with tons of doctors, nurses, nutritionists, dietitians, athletic trainers, physical therapists, coaches and other trainers, and have never had any one of them recommend not eating for 18 hours. Even on a cleanse, the body NEEDS calories. Fasting for religious purposes is one thing, but fasting for physical benefit is just pure ignorance.

Okay. You work with tons. I'm going to assume that tons means more than a few dozen that are up to date on current nutritional physiological research in terms of both performance and aesthetics.

I've had 2 doctors tell me my kidneys were going to explode due to having 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. My wife is a nurse and her nursing friends told me that creatine could kill me and would lead to anger issues. I had several of my nutritional professors tell me that my cholesterol must be sky high because I eat 6 eggs a day. I guess what I'm saying is the medical community doesn't impress me when it comes to nutritional advice. I do like listening to my nephew that's an athletic trainer when it comes to rehabilitation and prehab stuff for athletes.

There really aren't many studies done on intermittent fasting and there definately aren't really any good ones. Until we get studies that take the same people and have them follow the same training cycle and sleeping patterns and caloric intake and then redo it with the exact same set up except their meal frequency is set up within the intermittent fasting protocols, we won't have any scientific data. And just so you know...I'm discouting the advice of the medical community, I'm just saying to be careful where you get your nutritional advice from. I'd sure listen to Lyle MacDonald over my family medicine doctor when it comes to dietary changes for physique change purposes.

And I'm not referring to fasting in terms of don't eat for X amount of days. I'm referring to intermittent fasting (IF) in which your meals fall in an 8 hour window instead of a 24 hour window.

And, by the way, again, I don't follow IF. However, I think to conclude that because a handful of people that are unfamiliar with different fasting protocols call it stupid, does not stupid it make.

Meal frequency interesting stuff:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19943985?ordinalpos=&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.SmartSearch&log$=citationsensor
Here's an excerpt from the full text:
here's some highlights from the fulltext version of that study;

"...The premise underlying the present study was that increasing meal frequency would lead to better short-term appetite regulation and increased dietary compliance; furthermore, it was hypothesised that these predicted beneficial effects of increased meal frequency could have resulted from more favourable gut peptide profiles, potentially leading to greater weight loss. Under the conditions described in the present study, all three hypotheses were rejected."

"...We had postulated that increasing meal frequency would enhance the compliance to the energy restricted diet thus leading to greater weight loss, an effect possibly mediated by increased fullness. The present results do not support this hypothesis."

"...According to the present results, increasing meal frequency did not change the daily profiles of peptide YY or ghrelin, nor did it favourably impact appetite parameters."
 
"I've had 2 doctors tell me my kidneys were going to explode due to having 1 gram of protein per pound of bodyweight. My wife is a nurse and her nursing friends told me that creatine could kill me and would lead to anger issues. I had several of my nutritional
professors tell me that my cholesterol must be sky high because I eat 6 eggs a day. I guess what I'm saying is the medical community doesn't impress me when it comes to nutritional advice."

I totally agree, I've had doctors, physical therapists, and chiropractors put my clients in serious danger, and I think most of them lack adequate knowledge when it comes to nutrition. What I was trying to say, is that I wasn't just some gym rat isolated in his own dream world of fitness myths and Men's Health magazines.

I will do more research on the intermittent fasting, and look into these studies. Best believe if I find even a slight advantage in this method, I will find a way to incorporate it. Thank you for your links.

And as far as the Weight Watchers thing, it's the same dilemma I have with all sorts of programs (Nutrisystem, CrossFit, Jenny Craig, Jazzercise, etc.). If this new generation has become so ignorant in the ways of nutrition, exercise, and general wellness, that it will literally be outlived, I AGREE THAT SOMETHING IS BETTER THAN NOTHING. However, I would be morally remiss, and my career would be pointless, if I did not further educate people.

Thank you again for the conversation, I look forward to many more. This is how I become a better trainer. Merry Christmas.

Jake
 
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For the meal frequency debate, I've always found this to be interesting:

read the "Optimal Pattern of Protein Digestion" section.
Not a lot of research on it, but what they present is pretty interesting. Maybe eating often to keep AA levels elevated isn't a good idea after all?
 
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