Sport Extreme Nutrition- 11 hrs plus!

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OK-- we have lots of schoolers, up and coming 'cutting edge' nutritionists, doctors on he rise, sports medicine pros - etc etc....

the subject is what best before a run...

anyhow,
Let's say the "run" is gunna be under extreme conditions, say something like 11 hours after exercising has begun, so we the focus is hours 12-14. And, it is gunna be in the heat, direct sunlight,... remember now- he athlete has spent maybe hours in the water, then 7 on a bike, and NOW it is time to run a marathon (26.2 miles)

What do you 'think' a person's bike nutrition plan should be, to make sure the body still works after mile 18 of the run?

and I hope Trevor will also chime in.

For me to go 11 hours, and then "kick in" is my goal.

I even re-read it and put a touch of effort into clarity ;) and I fixed a few spelling erors- so cut me some slack pleae.

Sweat Daily
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A lot of my studies and focus have been more on strength training and general nutrition, versus endurance type training.

However, several 'basics' will always apply.

1. training - even someone in 'decent' shape will not make it through a triathalon unless they prepare by building upto that level of endurance. I had a friend who one day just started running. A couple miles. After a while he was running 8-10 miles. Eventually he ran some horrendous 20mile marathon (maybe 20k). I say 'horrendous' because Malkore wasn't built for running.

2. pacing - obviously if you give 'too much' during phase 1 of the event, you'll be tired by phase 3, possibly phase 2. and pacing is very unique...and comes back to point 1...you need to 'practice' to know your pacing.

3. nutrition - consistency in eating the right stuff (high carb, to keep plenty of glycogen available), as well as hydration (long endurance training is when stuff like Gatorade actually outperforms water, simply due to the electrolytes).

4. mental - mentally, you have to be able to withstand that much 'work' and keep going. both psychologically and physiologically. If you tell yourself on mile 12 "I can't do this"...you'll fail. But by the same token if your nervous system just can't take it anymore, your brain will stop you.


I know that wasn't anything concrete in terms of how to train, but I hope it helps.
 
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4. mental - mentally, you have to be able to withstand that much 'work' and keep going. both psychologically and physiologically. If you tell yourself on mile 12 "I can't do this"...you'll fail. But by the same token if your nervous system just can't take it anymore, your brain will stop you.


I know that wasn't anything concrete in terms of how to train, but I hope it helps.
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this point is something I have been learning alot about-- ie: Magnesium being added to my supplement list.

for me personally the can't or can thingy is kind of irrelevant, because I am so curious to see what will break- heart stop, pass out, puke again, leg cease up, etc...

my carry thru mentality has become-

""Willing to Suffer, and dude-- what will REALLY happen if I don;t stop"

the thing that happens is - I make it.. hahahaha CRAZY STUFF.

OK, neutritionist peeps-- this seems to be a tuff question...... :p
 
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Chocolate Salted Milk
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hmmmm, a frozen slushy chocolate milk may be good with my peanut butter sandwich I will eat in the 6th hour.

OK- thoughts on chocolate milk. Sugar for carbs, protein in the milk, lactose may get me to settle down some... hmmmmm
 
I was just being a goof, but I honestly think, in terms of what your body needs during this ridiculously long haul you're undertaking, chocolate milk would be a pretty good choice, for me anyway. Covers several angles. Macros, electrolytes, and a feeling of satiety. Also for me - and I'm not sure how important this is but I imagine it would be - it's the kind of drink I could stomach slamming down all day. The only other beverage that fits in that category for me is water.

I would get a deuce of 4L camel bak bladder bag things and fill them both up. Stick that in the pack and have a nipple on each side of my face. Course, that would add a good 20 lbs to ya, so horrible idea, maybe.

I'd contribute more if I knew anything about this. I'mma look it up a little and get back to ya. Curious for myself, anyway, as I intend to do a marathon at some point. Just to prove I can. Doubt I'll ever do a 140 though - I'm too much of a sissy.

Edit: And yeah, it tastes amazing in slushy form. I used to make this "mochaccino" concoction with whey, dextrose and cocoa, but add ice instead of water. It was unbelievably good. And chocolate milk would make it even better. I suppose if you wanted to you could mix your own ratios, probably wanna go for 1:4 or higher protein:carb hey? Or maybe add some fat in. I hear MCT is all the rage.
 
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funniest quote I ever heard concerning will power when running, ha ha, it made my day, "Willing to Suffer, and dude-- what will REALLY happen if I don;t stop" I know that getting tired feeling where I tell myself "one more lap"... "and a bit of a sprint", "ok, one more lap"... "i'm ok for another sprint"... "one more lap"... "alright that's it!" ... "just one more?" I'm a bit of a spontanious runner I supose I do it for stress relief not for specific training purpouses
 
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