Cohen's Lifestyle Exercise or not?

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snakesalive

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I have been on the program a month now and been going to my regular exercise sessions (2 times a week cardio & toning). I know they recommend not to do this however its the only time I get out of the house away from kids etc and its an outdoor training program which I love. Does anyone else feel exhausted the next day from doing this? I'm worried if I don't do the toning at least I will get flabby which I have already noticed is happening to top of arms, thighs and stomach. I have 10kg so far which I am delighted with and feel so much more in control however I'm worried if I let my fitness level decrease and resume the sessions after refeed I will have so much more work to do in the toning department then if I just work through the tiredness and hunger I feel the next day after exercise. I'd love to hear anyone else's spin on this if you have or doing some toning and exercise outside the recommendations.
Cheers
 
Before Cohen's and during Cohen's I exercised (and continue to do so now) 6 days a week and I've felt exhausted alot of the time and started taking an extra multi-vitamin a day. It helped somewhat. I'm not sure if exercising toned up my body alot more then if I hadn't exercised because I do still have loose skin (probably from all the years of being overweight) but I have faith that SOME of my skin will continue to firm up.

My trainer at the gym measured my body fat when I reached my goal and we were in shock as it's very high (31%) considering how much and how hard I've exercised but we are working on that now.

Hope this helps,

Irene
 
You should continue exercising. Research shows that you'll lose less muscle mass and strength than just dieting alone.
 
Snakesalive - I would speak to your consultant about this. I know when i started and they asked if i did any excersise it was because our feeding plans were set up to either include excersise or not. I didn't do any excersise but my consultant said is was fine if i wanted to take the dog for a walk or anything light. I took him for a walk yesterday and i've noticed that i'm a bit tired this morning, so just be careful. You don't want to get overly tired constantly and deviate.

You could also try a skin firming cream for thoses area's of lose skin. I'm only just in my 4th week and have just bought some 'Palmers Cocoa Butter Skin Firming cream with Q10 for after pregnancy or weightloss' and every morning and night I rub a bit into the flaps on the arms, inner thighs and accross my tummy and boobs. I thought if i started now it would help later on. They say give it 6 weeks to see results, so it will be interesting to see how it goes. I guess that's another option for you.

As for the last post (rubylee), i don't believe they are doing Cohens, so really should not comment on what we should or shouldn't be doing. They don't understand the program, therefore should not be offering advice in these Cohens threads.

Cheers, Minny...
 
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Thanks for your advice, I have my appointment on Friday, so I will mention it to my consultant again, but I already know what she will say.
I went to my class this morning and I felt so fit. Already with a 10kg loss I can really notice the difference when I run. I feel so much lighter and quicker. Its the weights which I'm struggling with but I was also thinking this morning it may be all in my head - because they recommended not to do too much exercise I have it in my mind that something drastic is going to happen or that I am too weak. Just typing this rambling minor issue in my life has just allowed me to understand that my exercise group is actually one of my motivators to get lighter, fitter and healthier. I wish cohens had not mentioned the "no strenuous exercise" bit, its made me think too much.LOL!! The only downside to turning up to my classes is that I haven't told any of the group that I am on Cohens - the reason I haven't told them is because I know my trainer will have a fit - I can not see her been a big fan of my lifestyle plan. Actually it was very funny at this morning class because we have been training in the pitch black for the past few weeks and since daylight savings ended, today was our first class in the lights and half way through the class I saw a few of the girls whispering and looking at me (not in a bad way) then one came over and said omg you have lost so much weight you look fantastic. It was nice to get a compliment but it also made me feel really uncomfortable, I hate anyone commenting on my weight because I associate weight comments with negative feelings, that will possibly change with time but currently I hate it. Anyway I thought it was a good indication that the Cohens program is giving me results I never thought possible I am now lighter then when I as married. Yea!!!!!
Minny I am going to try the cream, as you say 6 weeks for visible results I had better get started - god knows what size I will be then so I better be prepared. I was not a big fan of the cream during my pregnancies but this time its all about me so bring on the cocoa butter!!
 
Who knows if the creams work or not, but i guess if we don't try, we'll never know hey!!!

I'd still talk to your consultant anyway. Even if you say to her 'I FEEL like excercising and i want to know WHY Dr Cohen doesn't reccommend it?"

At least then you'll know exactly why he doesn't and can go from there. If it's just the hunger thing, and you know you can get past it, then it's up to you what you do, but if it's a medical reason, then you can work from there.

Keep up the great work. You'll be finished in no time.
 
i don't believe they are doing Cohens, so really should not comment on what we should or shouldn't be doing.
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When someone clicks "New Posts" they will see what threads are being posted to and do not always "Notice" what forum the postings come from.

You will at times find "Non Cohen" people posting in these threads. This Cohen's forum is not an island, but a member of a larger forum.

It is worrisome on a health issue any diet where walking the dog can bring on undue tiredness. It is not surprising that someone might comment in a manner that you may disagree with.

You're both welcome to those opinions.
 
Well I say my consultant today and she was supportive of my decision to keep up my classes. She did have a couple of suggestions.

1. on the days that I have my class and the following day when I feel tired swap my meal 2 for 3 at lunch time and pick the largest protien allowance and have that in the middle of the day to get me through to dinner. This should stop the hunger pangs at 4-5pm just as I'm preparring the kids dinner.
2. Save my two of my crisp breads and half or full piece of fruit for this time in the afternoon to munch on so I'm not dreaming of devouring thier meal plus some.

I thought these two suggestions were very helpful so I'm passing them on to anyone else who may benefit. I also have considered getting the kids a couple of healthy freezer meals these days or better still cooking them up myself over the weekend to prevent stuffing about with thier yummy devine tasty, interesting dinners on those exercise days!

For those of us who have the thankless task of cooking for more then ourself, have you been indulging your wishlist of dinners upon family. I find it quite strange that I get a kick out of serving up these flavour packed dinners for my husband and sons. As strange and sick as it sounds I have been asking them day or two in advance what they would like on the menu and I preparing these meals aswell. Everything from roast lamb to beef and guiness pie. Don't get me wrong as I serve it up like a maid I sometimes would kill for a bite but no no no, I just know I simply CAN NOT HAVE IT. So strange but for my mental strength is doing wonders. My husband thinks its a case of self torture but I beg to differ I think I need to do it to prove to myself that I can do it and not deviate because this is similar to how it will be from now on. I can honestly say I have not been tempted once - even went shopping for Easter eggs today for friends and family. The smell was oh so devine but just won't be my year for an egg, hopefully next year I will have earnt one. I was even tempted to buy a small Belgium one for myself and put it away until after refeed but whats the point, its only going to go from my lips straight to my hips.
sorry for rambling on I have found this forum such a stress release.
 
M2M said:
It is worrisome on a health issue any diet where walking the dog can bring on undue tiredness. It is not surprising that someone might comment in a manner that you may disagree with.
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Thank you M2M, but my comment regarding walking my dog was made AFTER the comments i was refering to. Our program is strict for a very good reason, whether you, or anyone else agrees with it, and for new people doing the program, seeing 'advice' from someone who is NOT on the program, can be potentially de-railing for them.

You made the above comment without knowing where i walked my dog, how long it took and at what pace i was walking, so i don't believe that is fair for you to say that it is 'not suprising that someone might comment'.

I believe my comments were warrented in that particular situation, and maybe people should have a look at what threads they are posting in, if this is what you believe was the problem.
 
Minny said:
You made the above comment without knowing where i walked my dog, how long it took and at what pace i was walking, so i don't believe that is fair for you to say that it is 'not suprising that someone might comment'.
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You're absolutely right, I don't know - but I do know that even when I'm walking 5 miles a day at a very fast pace (9-10 minutes per mile) I am not tired.

Simply exercising should not cause undue tiredness.

This comment is what I would consider undue tiredness:
I have been on the program a month now and been going to my regular exercise sessions (2 times a week cardio & toning). I know they recommend not to do this however its the only time I get out of the house away from kids etc and its an outdoor training program which I love. Does anyone else feel exhausted the next day from doing this?
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You wrote:
I believe my comments were warrented in that particular situation, and maybe people should have a look at what threads they are posting in, if this is what you believe was the problem.
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Not everyone is going to do that. Not everyone KNOWS to do that. Not everyone thinks that the Cohen Forum is beyond approach nor knows that you consider it to be so.

So when you say...
I don't believe they are doing Cohens, so really should not comment on what we should or shouldn't be doing.
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Realize that when it comes to healthy weightloss, there will be a lot of opinions shared.
 
You're absolutely right, I don't know - but I do know that even when I'm walking 5 miles a day at a very fast pace (9-10 minutes per mile) I am not tired.

Simply exercising should not cause undue tiredness.
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Good for you walking 5 miles a day without tiredness. Your diet probably isn't as precise as ours and you will have the extra consumption to burn. Ours is very strict and if you excersise, this is taken into account when preparing that individuals program so tiredness wouldn't occur.

M2M - You obvioulsy don't know how our program is structured - and it is individually structured - so there is no point arguing the point anymore with you in regards to excersise in our program.

Enough said - lets just get on with it hey!
 
Minny said:
M2M - You obvioulsy don't know how our program is structured - and it is individually structured - so there is no point arguing the point anymore with you in regards to excersise in our program.

Enough said - lets just get on with it hey!
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True Enough - That being said, the majority of my input has been meant as a reminder:

Realize that when it comes to healthy weightloss, there will be a lot of opinions shared.
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and

You will at times find "Non Cohen" people posting in these threads. This Cohen's forum is not an island, but a member of a larger forum.
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M2M said:
True Enough - That being said, the majority of my input has been meant as a reminder:



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There is a good reason why Cohen has a no heavy exercise requirement. Cohens is basically low carb ( low sugar) and low fat diet, Cohen people are very very much in fat burning mode (lipoloysis). The carbs we do eat are mostly low GI fruits and some crackers (12grams a time)that provide just enough carbs to run our nervous systems/brain (CNS) without causing an insulin response, our bodies burn fat to provide fuel our muscles.

When our bodies are in fat burning mode spare we have low levels of energy glucose and glycogen in our muscles, otherwise our bodies. During heavy strenuous exercise all the energy sugars in our muscles (glucose and glycogen) is quickly consumed from our depleted muscle reserves, unfortunately whilst body fat is release and converted into new energy in our liver (ketogensis) our muscles now out of sugars decide to burn proteins for fuel, our muscles literally eat themselves. The result is muscle wastage also know as catabolism. So heavy or strenous exercise whilst on core Cohen doesn't mix, if we exercise aggressively then we will actually lose muscle mass rather than increase it. For people on very low calorie diets without enough proteins (lower than Cohen) muscles eat themselves without exercise!

Cohens is about a fine balance, between just enough sugar to run our brains/nervous systems and forcing our bodies to burn fat to provide muscle energy!

For those on Cohen best is to do moderate light exercise or what I prefer to call "fun activities" never enough to get to point of "burn" or muscle fatigue. Eg. Riding bikes, walking, playing with your kids, surfing, housework that kind of stuff! For those on Cohen don't push yourself during "exercise"!
 
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Thanks for the 'technical' explaination Lessfatty...you explained it so much better than i did!
 
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