Ephedra products hard to find...

I have been using ephedra products for a few years now, and am down to my last bottle of Stacker3s. The sites I used to get them through obviously don't carry them anymore due to the ban. Does anyone know of any websites that still carry these fat burners?
And please, save the preaching..I know ephedra is bad for you blah blah blah. But so are so many other things available to the public. Why should they be able to sell cigarettes and alcohol, big Macs and French fries, but not natural supplements that contain ephedra??Anyone agree with me on this?:D
 
i think everyone has stopped selling them but i'll keep a lookout for you

and i agree with you. ephedra has been around for thousand of years and gets banned in america because of ppl who dont know what they're doing

what a joke :(
 
Completely agree!

It is going to be more and more difficult to find ephedra anywhere. BUT there are substitutes available. What are you using Stacker for? Energy before a workout? Weight control?

If energy is what you need check out Power Drive by Biotest. I use it and love it.

If you are looking for weight control supps I would suggest considering Hot-Rox also by Biotest. (I'm really not a salesman or anything for Biotest I just think this company makes quality products with testing to back up its claims.)
 
Look on the internet under the headings "ma huang, chinese
herbs, weight loss."

Ma huang is the same thing but the concentrations are different
if you can figure out the concentration in the stackers...

Also works great on a rotten chest cold..!
 
In California, anything with ephedra and Ma Huang is banned. You can't even find this stuff on ebay for sale. I've looked around the internet for a long time and asked around .. there's nothing left! The only people that I know who have these products for sale are friends with old bottles of pills sitting around that they didn't finish.
 
look what i found

Ephedrine HCL Still Available? YES

Do a search on GOOGLE for

ephedrine HCL

Look to the right for the list of advertisers selling it. Here's why they can sell it.

This is an explanation of the differences between over-the-counter("OTC") bronchodilator/expectorant drug products containing ephedrine hcl and dietary supplements that contain ephedra, ephedrine alkaloids, or ephedrine. As explained below, the differences are substantial and the FDA's decision to prohibit the sale of dietary supplemetns containing ephedrine has absolutely no impact on a company's ability to market and sell OTC drug products containing ephedrine hcl. The most noticeable difference between the two products is that ephedrine hcl drug products contain "Drug Facts" boxes and ephedra/ephedrine dietary supplement products contain "Supplement Facts" boxes. Only those products that contain "Supplement Facts" boxes will be affected by the FDA's decision to prohibit the sale of ephedra/ephedrine dietary supplements.

The Federal Food, Drug and Cosmetic Act("FFDCA") and US Food and Drug Administration("FDA") regulations treat dietary supplements and OTC drug products differently.

Dietary Supplements are not formally recognized as safe and effective by the Agency. OTC drug products may only be marketed if the FDA has recognized the products as safe and effective.

"Ephedra" is the commonly used name for a dietary supplement containing ephedrine alkaloids or naturally occuring ephedrine. It was sold as a raw botanical or as an extract from botanical sources, and it is also known by other names, such as Ma Huang and Chinese Ephedra. The raw botanical or extract naturally contains the following alkaloids(among others): ephedrine, pseudoephedrine, norpseudoephedrine, norephedrine, methylephedrine, and methylpseudoephedrine. Because ephedra was sold as a "dietary supplement," it was marketed without the FDA's concurrence or approval and could not be removed from the market until such time that the FDA found that it posed a significant or unreasonable risk of harm.

In contrast, OTC drug products that contain ephedrine hcl are specifically marketed pursuant to the FDA's "Final Monograph for Cold, Cough, Allergy, Bronchodilator and Antiasthmatic Drug Products for OTC Human Use"("Final Monograph"). The Final Monograph identifies certain ingredients that the FDA has determined are "generally considered as safe and effective" for particular uses and sets forth specific rules regarding labels that, when complied with, permit a company to market one of those ingredients. The inclusion of ephedrine hcl in the Final Monograph represents a finding by the FDA that ephedrine is generally recognized as safe and effective when labeled in accordance with the monograph. Moreover, ephedrine hcl has never been marketed as a dietary supplement, nor could any claims regarding weight loss or energy have been made for products containing ephedrine hcl. To do so, would have caused the product to be considered an unapproved new drug by the agency.

FDA has announced its attention to prohibit the sale of ephedra dietary supplements- not ephedrine hcl OTC drug products.

FDA has announced its intention to prohibit the sale of dietary supplement products that contain ephedra, ephedrine alkaloids, and ephedrine because of perceived concerns over their safety. This announcement was based on FDA's analysis of perceived risks associated with ephedra products, including (1) a study by the RAND Corporation allegedly suggesting health risks associated with ephedra: (2) the available evidence suggests that their is a "significant or unreasonable risk of illness or injury" associated with consumption of ephedra: (3) a new warning label would not mitigate that risk.

More importantly, this action pertains only to dietary supplements that contain ephedra, ephedrine alkaloids, or ephedrine. This decision does not reflect, in any way, FDA's view of the safety of ephedrine hcl bronchodilator drug products. Indeed, the FDA's decision does not affect the regulatory status of OTC bronchodilator products containing ephedrine hcl in the United States and the ability to market these products in the United States.

Conclusion:

Because ephedra dietary supplements and ephedrine hcl OTC drug products are subject to entirely separate legal and regulatory regimes, FDA's decision to ban ephedra dietary supplements has absolutely no impact on the status of OTC ephedrine hcl drug products, and companies are free to market and distribute OTC ephedrine hcl drug products.

Buchanan Ingersoll Attorneys
 
Do a web search on Ephedra Hcl. It's pretty much everywhere.

I agree 100% with abear...a couple morons don't follow the directions, so the plug gets pulled for the rest of us. Joke. :mad:
 
alot of gas stations still have it. if i was really into getting a load of epedra i would just hop around the gas stations and buy all them. cuz after its gone then its gone.
 
Found Ephedrine in Las Vegas, Nevada

I just found some stuff this morning on the way to the gym called "Vasopro Epherdrine" It was put on the market for people with acute asthma, but I found it at the local supplement store. When I went in to ask for something else to use instead of Zantrex for weight loss the guy handed me a the box of Vasopro. It has 25mg of pure Ephedrine in it. He said its basically pure ephedrine, but the market it for acute asthma patients for a way to slip through a tiny loop in the Ephedrine Ban. Check it out. You can google it. I paid 11.99 for 60 tablets, but I have been researching it all morning and have seen it for as low as 6.99. Hope that helps! :)
 
i also bought some vasopro now that my stacker 2 is almost gone... i noticed that all my other old ephedra products contained asprin as a blood thinner and caffine as a catalyst to help the ephedrine.... i plan on taking a low dose asprin and half a caffine pill with each of my new pills.... i just thaught people might want to do the same. the caffine really does help (its the secret ingrediant in excedrine) and the asprin limits the risk of stroke.

*disclaimer
this is based on my experience only and i am NOT a medical professional
: )
 
I just bought a load of stacker 2's and mini naturals with ephedra in it. Local gas stations around here still sell it.
 
ptdirect said:
Are you guys sure that its healthy to make your own concoctions? I really do think that its worth the risk.
Thanks
making my own concoctions is alot different than simply supplementing the active ingredients in the right ammounts to match products that are no longer available. if you dont have excedrin, so you take a tylonol, asprin, and caffine, is that making a concoction? i dont see any danger of taking recomended ammounts of otc standard medications for their intended purpose.
 
ptdirect said:
Are you guys sure that its healthy to make your own concoctions? I really do think that its worth the risk.
Thanks
People have been taking that stake longer than either of us have been alive in one for or another, I took that stake over ten years ago. Nobody reinvented the wheel and created someting new here. Basically it's 200mg of caffine, 20mg ephedrine, 300mg of asprin. P.A. Daly did a study on it back in 1993. It was called "Ephedrine, Caffine and Asprin: Saftey and efficacy for treatment of human obesity". Try to read about it, with you being a personnal trainer you may want to brush up on this kinda stuff.
 
i've did just the ephedrine and the caffiene. i've read that the aspirin isnt really needed. dont know exactly where i read it but i can try and find it if needed. :)
 
im sorry, I did not mean to offend anyone. I was just voicing my opinion. There was a reason this stuff was band.
Thanks,
Ptdirect
 
pt, the truth is that ephedra has been around for thousands and thousands of years. in the last couple of years roughly 10 to 20 million in the usa alone were using some sort of ephedra product. since the 1960's, the fda has recorded about 200 deaths. of those 200 ppl, how many took more than what the label said? how many had some pre-existing condition? take those out of the equation and you'll probably cut that number in half at least.

the numbers dont add up to make this a dangerous product on its own. its sad that the actions of a few dense and ignorant ppl led to this.

and to put it another way consider this:

IATROGENIC [Gk., iatros, physician, genein, to produce],
caused by treatment or diagnostic procedures. An iatrogenic
disorder is a condition caused by medical personnel or
procedures or through exposure to the environment of a
health care facility, including fears instilled in patients
by remarks or questions of examining physicians.

A recent study published in The Journal of The American
Medical Association (2000:284:94) by Barbara Starfield, MD,
MPH, showed that in the U.S. there are:

· 12,000 deaths/year from unnecessary surgery
· 7,000 deaths/year from medication errors in hospitals
· 20,000 deaths/year from other errors in hospitals
· 80,000 deaths/year from nosocomial infections in hospitals
· 106,000 deaths/year from adverse effects of medications

This totals 225,000 deaths per year from iatrogenic causes,
placing iatrogeny as the third leading cause of death in the
U.S., second only to heart disease and cancer. The scary
part is that this does not include disabilities and
disorders; just deaths in hospitalized patients. In any
event, when one ponders that more than four times as many
people die in one year from doctors' mistakes than died in
the entire Vietnam War, one is aghast at why this
information isn't making headlines or why huge think tanks
funded by medicopolitical interests haven't formed.


and ephedra killed 200 ppl in 40 years so it should be banned???? :mad:
 
20lbs2go:
where in Vegas did you find vasopro? I'm going to visit my sister in Feb. and would like to pick some up while there. I know that I can buy it online, but I'd rather not.
Shaunda
 
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