"deadlifting" the bench and squat

the deadlift starts with a concentric contraction and ends with an
eccentric. The squat begins eccentrically, as the bar is lowered from lockout, and then returns to lockout with the concentric contraction, like the bench press.

The stretch reflex occurs at the transition between lowering and raising, and many studies have shown that a muscle contracts harder
concentrically when preceded by a stretch, the very thing provided by an eccentric contraction.
The down phase, if used skillfully, makes the up phase easier. But a deadlift is not preceded by any loaded stretch reflex, no matter how much drama the lifter engages in before the pull.
The deadlift starts at the mechanically hardest part of the movement, and requires the lifter to generate
the entire explosion necessary to break the bar off of the floor and get it moving up, without any help from a negative or anything else.

NOW, my question is--since the deadlift is so effective and brutal because it requires a lift with no stretch reflex, how practical would it be to REPLICATE the deadlift with the squat and bench by ELIMINATING the stretch reflex?

IE: put the squat bar in the power rack with the pins set low so that you must wedge yourself under the bar and start the squat from a "dead" position. lift,then set down on the pins and repeat.

IE: with the bench, set the pins very low so the bar is grazing your chest. lie on the bench under the bar, set up, and lift from the bottom position, and set the bar back on the pins. repeat.

obviously, it will be more difficult. my question is: why don't more people do this?
it seems like a very good way to make the lifts more challenging and productive!

however, a bit more fatigue will probably be produced from the "deadlift" bench and squat.

thoughts? :cheeky:
 
Isn't that the point of box squats (or the complete stop in competition bench pressing)? If you come to a complete stop for a long enough time period, isn't the stretch reflex negated?
 
i know that a part of it is taken away in the bench press when you pause at the bottom. however, the stretch reflex is still there because the muscles are actively being stretched out by the weight and they are still under tension.

it is comparable to stretching out a spring, as stated in starting strength page 86, 2nd ed.
at the bottom, even if paused, there is still a stretch, just not as powerful as if taken immediately.

same with box squats i believe. however, the box squat takes even more of the stretch reflex away then a paused squat because the hamstrings and glutes can temporarily relax on the box until you push out of the hole.
 
The stretch reflex won't be active if you keep the muscles stretched. Think of the reflex test when you hit the patella tendon, if you hit it you will cause a rapid stretch in the quads and they will contract but if you push it in and hold it there then the quads won't contract for the duration of the hold. The stretch reflex works with changes in length, if the length is held constant for a while, it won't be active.

Anyways, starting at the bottom is something that has been used and I think I remember having heard good stuff about it if you have a problem getting out of the hold on the squat or off the chest in the bench.
 
yeah--thats always where i am weak. as long as i get out of the hole, i feel like i completed the lift.
il probably throw a lot of these in then : ]
 
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