Creatine questions

I just read the creatine faq, but wasent clear about some things.

1. Do most people take the creatine in one dose in their post workout drink, or do most split their doses throughout the day.

2. How many weeks, on and off, do most people cycle their creatine usage?

3. Can you recommend some good quality and cost effective brands of creatine?

thanks!
 
1.) You can take it any time of day. Unless you're loading, you only need to take it once a day.

2.) 30 days

3.) I always used GNC brand, but I'm sure some other forum members know of better brands.
 
When I took creatine mono, I took a 5mg scoop with my whey after workout. Now that I take ethyl-ester, I take 3 pills 30 minutes before and 3 pills directly after.

I use creatine for 4-6 weeks, then take a few off. I use SNI creatine EE from Vitamin Shoppe.
 
I've used many different types of creatine. For me, the best one I like is NOXPLODE - like the label says, I won't train without it.

It was rated the number 1 creatine two years in a row by Bodybuilding.com. I take it before my training, one scoop about 30 min before my cardio, and then a second after my cardio and before my weights. On days when I'm only doing weights, I take one scoop 45 min before, and one scoop as I'm leaving the house.

My friend, who does not do as much high intensity cardio training prefers 'Fasttwitch' creatine. He tried both. I tried it, but I did not get the results from it that NOXPLODE gave me. But again, I do a lot of really hard interval training, usually before my weights - on back days/pullup days.

Cycling on and off.... I think about 4 - 6 weeks on, and 3 weeks off is about what they tell you.... I do it differently now that I have about 6months until my competition.
 
There are two general type of creatine: mono vs estyl. Difference is that monohydrate will give you that nice pump and most people tend to use and require a loading phase. Estyl does not tend to need a loading phase, at least I don't load when I take these. I used to go with monohydrate but now perfer estyl. Normally, I would split the creatine load into before and after working out. Instead of going 1 full teaspoon of estyl, I would take 1/2 teaspoon before and after. Same with monohydrate, half scoop before and half afterward. If I had to choose, I would take it after working out.

Good luck man. I usually feel a definite difference when I am on creatine versus not but do not like to use too much b/c I am afraid of associating to working out with it and will not workout unless I take it.
 
I don't think a lot of people do the cycling thing with creatine anymore. There's no real reason why you should..
 
I don't think a lot of people do the cycling thing with creatine anymore. There's no real reason why you should..

Are you suggesting people take creatine like its necessary and sufficient to workout or is this to reduce the loss of energy associated with coming off creatine? The idea is that over time, your body may not respond to creatine, thereby making creatine supplementation useless. The long term effects of creatine are not known (or supported by studies) so cycling makes sense. (It also saves some $$$).
 
Are you suggesting people take creatine like its necessary and sufficient to workout or is this to reduce the loss of energy associated with coming off creatine? The idea is that over time, your body may not respond to creatine, thereby making creatine supplementation useless. The long term effects of creatine are not known (or supported by studies) so cycling makes sense. (It also saves some $$$).

why would your body suddenly not respond to creatine? I doubt there is any scientific data to support this, and thus: there is no reason you should cycle creatine.

Your first sentence doesn't make any sense.. creatine is not necessary to work out.. you can work out without it.
 
why would your body suddenly not respond to creatine? I doubt there is any scientific data to support this, and thus: there is no reason you should cycle creatine.

Your first sentence doesn't make any sense.. creatine is not necessary to work out.. you can work out without it.

The following says :-

Loading vs Not loading said:
Loading Creatine Vs. Not Loading

This is often a heated debate among weight trainers. It need not be as studies have shown that both sides are correct.

Loading is done by taking an extremely high creatine dosage for the first 5-7 days of supplementation (loading phase), typically 20-25 grams a day split into two to four servings. Thereafter, loaders follow up with a smaller maintenance creatine dosage each day. This method is based on the theory that when you first begin supplementation your muscles have the lowest level of creatine and can therefore benefit from the very high creatine dosages. This is an attempt to immediately super-saturate your muscle cells.

Studies have shown that loading will speed up your response. However, studies further show that in the long term simply sticking with a smaller creatine dosage from the beginning will create the same effects. With loading, you may reach your creatine potential and be performing with its full benefits after just a week while if you choose not to load the effects will build up more gradually. When blood creatine levels are tested after 30 days of usage, the results will be similar with both methods.

Taking the large daily creatine dosage required for loading can cause stomach upset in some. It can also prove to be more expensive. If your stomach doesn't like the high doses or if you are content to more gradually build up your creatine levels and save some bucks, relax in the knowledge that you aren't really missing anything.

Remember creatine is a supplement and some people get diarrhoea, stomach upset and kidney problems when using it. What other supplement produces such side effects?
 
You do NOT have to 'load' creatine with large doses. Take 3-5g ONCE per day, every day, and after about 3 weeks, you'll have the exact same saturation as if you took 4 servings a day for 10 days.

NO Xplode is kind of a rip off. its not just creatine. its loaded with caffine, taurine and an arginine supplement for the 'pump'.
Note: some research has found too much arginine will lead to internal bleeding....and no research has shown it actually helps your workout.


toss 5grams into your post workout shake. take it on off days too. you can cycle off every few months for a week if you really want to.
stick to monohydrate or ethyl ester. anything fancier has no research to stand on. these two PURE forms do.
 
great info, thanks!

What are some good brands? I looked in the stores and on the net and there are tons of products. I want one with no additives, pure mono. Any suggestions?
 
I just read the creatine faq, but wasent clear about some things.

1. Do most people take the creatine in one dose in their post workout drink, or do most split their doses throughout the day.


Leckbass, Creatine isn't some miracle drug science created. Its abundant in a variety of meat and fish. Is it possible to get too much Creatine in ones diet without supplementation? Yes, this is possible. What happens when this occurs? The body simply secretes it.

Therefore if you are eating a variety of lean meat and fish (and you should be) each day, you are consuming creatine in addition to your creatine supplement. The body's ability to hold creatine in the muscle (etc) is limited. If you consume too much, the body will simply get rid of it (just like it does if you consume excess vitamins, or other items you may over consume).

The grams I consume are based on my body weight, and I usually encircle the dosage around my workouts on training days, and usually just simply space out my usage during the day on non-training days. And, I just recently started to experiment with it. I have been very successful without it. Do I think its an "essential" supplement? Absolutely not.

What type of Creatine I take, depends on the position I am in my diet. Because the diet effects Creatine's potential, IMO (more specifically Creatine Mono).

This is what I do, Leckbass:

What type of Creatine I take just depends on my diet trend. For example, if I am cycling carbohydrates down (which makes my water retention reduce), I will take Creatine Ethyl Ester.

My Insulin response (s) are lower (on average), my water retention is lower, and uptake and absorption of Creatine Mono (If I was taking this) would be "suboptimal in this environment".

So I choose to supplement with CEE during this time, which eliminates these sorts of uptake problems associated with Mono. Additionally, I get the same benefits of Mono, but do not have to be concerned in screening out water retention (if cycling to get lean). Water retention wouldn't be the greatest anyway, with Carbohydrates low or in some cases nonexistent.

If I cycle carbohydrates up (and this makes water retention return, and Insulin more active), I will choose Creatine Mono.

Its an actual better environment for it, because water and Insulin will assist in getting the creatine in the muscle, which can be severely reduced in a low or no carbohydrate environment, and I want the added water weight (volumization) it provides within this period, of which CEE will not do.

"Some" can cut their own performance throats, on a "cut" taking Creatine Mono, because they do not understand the relationship carbohydrates, water, and Insulin, play in getting creatine in the muscle................>if they are low-carbing.

It's obvious my opinion is, that carbohydrates and insulin response play a role when taking Creatine mono. Eat good carbohydrates and drink plenty of water with Creatine Mono, IMO. It will assist with creatine absorption and (if) Insulin is present (doing one of its IMPORTANT JOBS), it will assist in shuttling it into the appropriate cells. Eating carbohydrates "assists" this process.

Additionally, when choosing a Mono product, I choose the powder over the capsules/caplets. The reasoning behind this is simple. If a large chunk of Mono sits in the stomach, it can be hard for the body to digest/process it, and "some can get bloated and get gassy because of this". If I put some in a protein shake or other beverages it eliminates this problem. Additionally, if one is getting bloated/gassy on Mono, they "could" be having an creatine absorption complication. With CEE, it doesn't matter. I choose caplets.


The bottom line is I cycle between Creatine Mono and Creatine Ethyl Ester, because of the differences they can bring to the table within certain positions within my diet.

Within the forthcoming questions, you are liable to get various opinions, one way or the other, but here is a short take:


How many grams of creatine? Should I have a Creatine Loading Phase? Should I have a Creatine Maintenance Phase? Should I Cycle Creatine?

Remember when "supplementing" Creatine in the diet, this is exactly what it is: You are simply supplementing your diet with an external item where you may be deficient or wanting to improve upon. If you are getting Creatine from various meats and fish, and supplementing with Creatine, and get too much, your body will simply get rid of it since it has no need for it. You body only has a capacity to hold so much, and the excess is simply discarded.

Therefore, some could use more than others, just through there "deficiency in their diet" (not getting enough meat/fish as example. Like a vegetarian, or one not being too smart with their diet). This could make the dosage higher, than one who is eating adequate amounts of meat and fish.

Additionally, we have creatine that is used/discarded throughout the day when we do not weight train, and when you add in intense weight training (etc), then this is a lot higher. But the body's capacity potential to hold creatine is simply limited.

Its my opinion, that the body's capacity, (or the amount) it can hold depends on the person. There is no blanket party in opinion. Logically, there is a difference in need between 230 pound (lean natural BB), and one that weights 150/160 pounds. An obvious difference in lean body mass. Do you think the creatine gram dosage is the same for these exampled individuals? I think not. The 230 pound body builder has a greater needs throughout (calories, macro nutrients, water, and so forth) than the lesser weight person exampled. 230 lb BB Creatine capacity his higher.

International Society of Sports Nutrition position stand: Creatine Supplementation and Exercise.



(This is one of the original research articles--I believe anyway), it will take some time (few more seconds, he, he) to load.

This article will answer a lot of your personal questions. Such as how much creatine to take per day, should you have a loading/maintenance period, etc, etc.

BE SURE TO READ IT.


Best wishes for success in all that you do.


Chillen
 
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So Chillen seeing you take creatine do you cycle it? I don't take it as I eat plenty of red meat and fish but if I did I would definitely cycle it.
 
The following says :-



Remember creatine is a supplement and some people get diarrhoea, stomach upset and kidney problems when using it. What other supplement produces such side effects?

I never said anything about loading, I said cycling, which is going on and off, for example 4 weeks on creatine, then 1 week off, etc.

Show me studies that say creatine causes kidney problems. Stomach problems like diarrhoea are small stuff, nothing to worry about. Most side effects from creatine are there because people don't drink enough while they are on it anyways.
 
Actually I meant to link not loading vs unloading.

same article said:
Cycling Creatine Vs. Not Cycling

There are two reasons for creatine cycles...

1. In some cases, supplementing the body with certain substances shuts down the body's ability to produce that substance on its own. When creatine is ingested in large quantities the body shuts down production of it within the body.

The fear is that after long-term creatine usage, the body's own synthesis of creatine will not return to normal when supplementation is stopped. Studies have not shown any problems with creatine production returning to normal after short-term use. This has not been shown to occur with long-term use either but keep in mind that it is a relatively new supplement and long-term studies have not been completed.

2. Another reason for cycling creatine is to try and recreate the "first month" results. The best results are typically reported in the first 30 days of usage. Therefore, through creatine cycling, these "first month" results can theoretically be recreated every three or four months. Some weight trainers skip the off time and just repeat the loading phase every so often in an effort to recreate these results.

No significant creatine studies have shown dramatic performance benefits to cycling as opposed to continuous use. Personally, I cycle two months on and one month off just to be safe rather than sorry should it happen to come out twenty years from now that long-term supplementation can in fact affect the body's own production abilities. It also does seem to produce better results, or at least more dramatic results, when restarting.
 
Actually I meant to link not loading vs unloading.

The author doesn't cite any studies.

Creatine isn't really a new suppliment anymore. You should go to and type "creatine" you'll find a LOT of studies, it's probably one of (if not the) most researched suppliment out there.

I have never heard of anything suggesting that the body's own creatine synthesis actually shuts down when you take creatine. If it does and it goes back to normal when you stop, then I don't see why it would be dangeoraus. For example, the same thing is true with dietary cholesterol (for most people) you eat a lot of cholesterol and the body produces less itself. No one is suggesting to cycle cholesterol for this reason.
 
The author doesn't cite any studies.

Creatine isn't really a new suppliment anymore. You should go to and type "creatine" you'll find a LOT of studies, it's probably one of (if not the) most researched suppliment out there.

I have never heard of anything suggesting that the body's own creatine synthesis actually shuts down when you take creatine. If it does and it goes back to normal when you stop, then I don't see why it would be dangeoraus. For example, the same thing is true with dietary cholesterol (for most people) you eat a lot of cholesterol and the body produces less itself. No one is suggesting to cycle cholesterol for this reason.

Do you know of any long-term studies done to show that creatine is 100% safe and can be used day after day, week after week, month after month, year after year, decade after decade without any ill health?
 
So Chillen seeing you take creatine do you cycle it? I don't take it as I eat plenty of red meat and fish but if I did I would definitely cycle it.

Currently, I do not.

However, I do vary my Creatine intake.

We have to bare in mind, that meat (say lean beef) has "about" 1 gram of naturally occurring Creatine in each approximate 1/2 pound. 1 pound would theoretically make it 2 grams, and so on an d so forth.

Scientific research suggests anywhere between 3 to 5 grams (per day), dependent.

How many pounds of beef does one eat per day, every day? The body discards a certain portion each day....without training.

Add in training, and we have a completely different scenario. How many replace this hard meat with Whey Powder, which would then lower there Creatine consumption, hypothetically.


Best regards,

Chillen
 
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