Canadian Schools

Cannon 2006

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I'm a teacher and I decided to do a bit of research on education around the world. In the comparative test given in countries (PISA) I noticed that 5 countries were in the top ten in reading and math--Estonia, Finland, Canada, South Korea, and China (Hong Kong only). Yet I never hear anybody in the United States talk about Canada's school system. Can anybody tell me any ways that it is different from our system and I'd also love to hear any theories as to the huge difference between Canada and the United States in test scores.
 
Thanks for answering. I'm not really sure what I'm looking for really--just why Canada's schools are doing so much better.

1. How many days is the Canadian school year (US has 180)?
2. How long are the school days generally?
3. How big are class sizes?
4. Is there a big emphasis on testing now like we have?
5. What kind of preparation does the teacher get?

Thanks!
 
US schools have traditionally been administered by the states. However, under No Child Left Behind the federal government has been taking over. A lot of what the feds do consists of unfunded mandates where they tell the states what they have to do, but then provide no money to do it. I love the class size. The US swears it doesn't matter, but I got so much done with my kids the year I had a class of 24. This year I've had 34 and it seemed to markedly limit what I could do with them. I really appreciate this information.

1. What do teachers get for planning time?
2. What kind of preparation do college students who want to become teachers get?

We just finished another week of testing here. All told, we lose about 12 full days of instruction with the various testing we have to administer. That seems like a ridiculously high proportion to me.
 
I'm Canadian, I sort of had an idea about this because I was at one point looking into American Colleges and Universities, and for some areas of the states my average would have had an extra 10% boost to compensate.

But why it is like this, I am not sure. Maybe we start off harder in our earlier years of school?
 
Cannon:


This is just a shot in the dark, albeit one based on observation. Perhaps it has less to do with required school days, class size, state testing, curriculum, planning time, teacher salaries, and the like, and more to do with a cultural emphasis on education.

I mean, really. If you ask nearly any parent from nearly any walk of life in the US if education is important, the parent will answer in the affirmative. But, we both know actions speak louder than words.

While I realize not all school systems or schools are as horrendous as the one in which I used to work, I'm acutely aware of the fact that I was constantly told I (Tamara, me, as a teacher) had to work to change the culture of the school so kids would stop beating each other and stop setting fires and start coming to class more than twice a week and....I could go on. But the reality is that outsiders (middle-class, do-gooder, white folks with good intentions--in this case) cannot change someone else's culture. It's up to the community at risk to change or improve itself. And that, my fellow teacher, needs to start at home. The system in which I worked for a number of years is a failing system that churns out ill-prepared, failing students. Most of the kids I taught didn't have parents. I mean, half the kids' parents were either dead or in prison and a lot of the kids were raising themselves. The high-achieving kids were the ones whose parents basically gave them little to no freedom. They were the kids whose parents demanded to know where they were at every moment, the ones who parents told them they'd better be home and in the house before dark or they'd get their tails whipped. I realize not every child requires such stringent rules, but come on. How many kids do you have who are actually punished for coming home with poor grades? At my current school, the high achievers are the ones whose parents stay on top of their work and, honest to god, use negative reinforcement to keep their kids in line. The kids' phones and cars and other privileges are revoked if they act up in school or show poor academic performance. Obviously I'm oversimplifying here, but I'm just trying to make a point about how these parents not only say education is important, but their actions show the importance of education as well.

And then there are the parents who read the novels along with their kids so they are able to discuss the texts with their kids. That sort of action sends a strong message, I think.

Sorry about the rant. I really didn't intend to write that much.

One last thing you might appreciate. A couple of years ago, BCPSS came up with a new slogan: "Every child reading by age 9." If that doesn't say something frightening, I don't know what does.

Tamara
 
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Thanks again for the feedback :)

Linzee that answered most of my questions quite nicely :)
Snow--Any relation to JTSnow the baseball player? What you say is definitely possible.
Tamara--I think you're right in a lot of areas though I've also taught in wealthy suburbs and found parents who paid similiar lipservice to their children's education. In Chicago we've got a mayor who keeps holding up China as the epitomy of educational excellence so I've tried to look at the coutnries who are scoring the tops on comparative tests and I could find very little on Canada.
 
No, I'm not related to the baseball player.

But, I don't know about that slogan, "Every child reading by age 9." Most kids should be able to read by 5 I would say. My brother when he was 4 he could read words like Albuquerque.
 
I'm only speaking from my experience. I am American, and my husband is Candian. We have compared our schooling a lot!

The biggest thing we noticed in comparing our educations/school systems---and what I believe is aiding in affecting the level of education is...

In the states - we focus way too much on sports. I remember when I was in high school the school would do fundraisers, etc. and all the proceeds would go to improving the gym, new sports uniforms, equipment, etc. Everything was about sports - how the school was doing with sports. And I know it wasn't just our school that was like that!!!!!

Why not put more money towards new books, upgrading the classrooms, offering better after school programs for those who are struggling, educational trips, etc.

But I'm just one person and that's just my opinion.
 
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