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yes, I know these carb questions get old, and forgive me if this has been asked. I have read a lot of posts of people cutting for the summer. I feel like I have always had a "cutting"-type diet compared to the examples I read about on these posts. If my diet has always been pretty clean and lower carb etc then why do I not get the results that cutting usually promotes? Sure, by observation one can tell I'm fit and have a fair amount of muscle but I still feel like I have that layer of fat over the muscle. My skin still feels "thick" on top..if that makes sense. I still have problem areas of my lower abs and inner thighs. I pretty much feel like the average "joe" as far as looks go at the gym and I work really hard...and have for a really long time. My carb question has to do with manipulation. I tend to be very low carb. I just feel better that way. I probably average 50-80 at the most carbs a day, 130-150 g of protein and 25-30g fat. something like that. My cals are low (and I know that, I work on it) at 1200ish. My carbs are complex and hardly ever starchy. I feel like I cannot go more low carb without being unhealthy. I actually would have no issue being practically carb-free. I operate just fine, but I know its not healthy. What do I do at this point? I really feel like no matter my routine, hard work or clean eating I don't change much. if anything i gain weight and feel disgusting. what should i do?
 
First off, how tall are you?

I also want to point out that your bf% is at 15% which is great! I don't see how you can be at such a low bf% and still have this fat that you are talking about?

I would also like to say that 1200 calories a day is freakin nothing. I'm sure that someone with a lot more knowledge/experience is going to come in here and tell you to up your calories because your body is starving...(waits patiently).

~Nicole
 
yep yep I know...but if you knew where I'd come from with the cals you'd be happy for me! Seriously, since being on this forum I've gone from 600 cals ave. a day to 1200-1400. I'm coming out of years of starvation mode. I was calorie cycling with the higher numbers for awhile but it got to be so much brain power and intruding on my already hectic lifestyle. I know 1200 is nothing for most people on here but for me it is still a TON of food and very hard for me to reach that number comfortably. I am 5'6. My pic is on the picture thread thingy if you want to see. I look solid but nothing like other people with 15% look like. at least to me. I have had my bf checked every 3 weeks...and its consistent so I guess I accept it, but I dunno, I'm just discouraged.
 
sparrow said:
yes, I know these carb questions get old, and forgive me if this has been asked. I have read a lot of posts of people cutting for the summer. I feel like I have always had a "cutting"-type diet compared to the examples I read about on these posts. If my diet has always been pretty clean and lower carb etc then why do I not get the results that cutting usually promotes? Sure, by observation one can tell I'm fit and have a fair amount of muscle but I still feel like I have that layer of fat over the muscle. My skin still feels "thick" on top..if that makes sense. I still have problem areas of my lower abs and inner thighs. I pretty much feel like the average "joe" as far as looks go at the gym and I work really hard...and have for a really long time. My carb question has to do with manipulation. I tend to be very low carb. I just feel better that way. I probably average 50-80 at the most carbs a day, 130-150 g of protein and 25-30g fat. something like that. My cals are low (and I know that, I work on it) at 1200ish. My carbs are complex and hardly ever starchy. I feel like I cannot go more low carb without being unhealthy. I actually would have no issue being practically carb-free. I operate just fine, but I know its not healthy. What do I do at this point? I really feel like no matter my routine, hard work or clean eating I don't change much. if anything i gain weight and feel disgusting. what should i do?

Okay we got some stuff to work out here, first your fear of carbs and 2nd your way to low calories intake. You are a very active woman, not just with exercise but also you have kids. So allow me to break down a few things and I will try not to get to scientific about things.

Now I went and looked through your journal and there are indeed some problems or reasons for your stalling. For one with your stats you have a BMR of 1403 roughly. That means most days you are eating under what you need for mere bed rest. Add to the fact that you are pumping iron and doing hardcore cardio, sweetie you are burning your body out plan and simple. It is going to do nothing but store what you have and not let go. If you increase your calories quickly or have a "bad day" anything extra leftover is going to be stored. You have to eat at least your resting but with activity should go beyond that. Most people when they do this to themelves get such a decrease of appetite and find eating any food to be a challange. You in short have more than likely hurt your metabolism and need to do some repair.
This is not meant to scare and its certainly is fixable but I do think you should understand the degree of the issue as to make it a little more important to yourself.

When you are as small as you are for one losing that last bit is just beyond a pain is the a**. It takes months even years sometimes for some people to knock that last couple of % off of there bodies. That is something I have to remind myself day in and out when i get frustrated with working so hard and things moving so slow. However its the price we pay for being lucky enough to be as close as we are and we have to remind ourselves of that. You obviously are scared of eating higher calories and I assume this is because when you do you gain weight. You gain weight because you are in starvation mode all the time and anything extra your body will keep, its smart, we can't trick it. So lets look at your stats. We got roughly 1400 resting rate. With daily activitys and tey way you work out we are getting about 2100-2300 calories burned in a day if not more. So where is the magic number for you? Well its nots 1200,1300,1400..Its anything above that sweetie. If you are eating 1200 calories a day that is at the lowest a 900 calories deficit. Way to high, you shouldn't and your body want let you lose 2 pounds of fat a week. At that level (the level I am at by the way) we in a healthy way shouldn't lose more than 1 pound a week if even that. You want to try and stay at a 400-500 pound deficit and somedays even just 200-300. If you do this your muscle will be happy, your fat cells will stop being greedy and let go a little and your metabolism will start pumping and working more because it knows its going to get constant fuel. Now because you have been doing this for so long get back into slowly. Start with the 1400 and work your way up. Then do some calories bouncing. Not from 1500 to 1200, but from 1500 to 1800 even 2000.

Now the carbs. When you get a chance read this article, its just a good starter on really understanding what carbs are, how they work for you and why you need them. http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/planet30.htm
Now let me share a few things from my own personal experiance. Carbs, good carbs have done wonders for me. From helping my skin to making me regular. It took me a while to get it down yeah but for me high fiber daily, cycling my carb intake, and getting good post workout carb intake is my bag so to speak and alot of others. Now carb cycling is open for changes to each person, I myself don't have a no carb day (only veggies no starch) but I have a low carb day, moderate day and then a higher carb day. Days I lift I have Higer carbs, days I do just cardio moderate carbs and rest days low carbs. Notice the pattern...need more energy, need more carbs. Simple as that. I don't eat anything processed, all whole grains, brown rice, rolled oats, sweet potatos so on.

So what if you went out on a limb and just tried this, what can it hurt really? Seriously I ask you what is the worst that can happen with you trying this plan? Give it 2 months, 2 months of bouncing between 1500 and 1800 calories, cycling your carbs and eating a solid 5 meals a day. Have your complex carbs early in the day (also after whatever time your post lifting is)
Gage your fiber intake and try to get 30 grams a day of it. Get at least 25% fats in your diet, good fats. I say give it a shot, whats two months, got nothing to lose and so much for your health to gain. I say 2 months because you need at least 1-2 weeks to get your calories up some but slowy as to not shock your system to store. Then about 2 weeks of bouncing for your system to get used to it, I would bet at the end of week 5 you will be seeing some great results and feeling so much better mentally. I hope this helps and I hope you think about giving it a shot.
 
your bodyfat is low becaue because of low cal's which is good but because you haven't been in a calorie surplus for years you haven't built any muscle that would otherwise be providing defintion with the low bodyfat...you can't tone whats not there...if you don't want to increase carbs than increase fats for excess calories...as long as you don't go over the top than you shouldn't put fat on or very little anyway...15% is excellent for a female...i think 14% is the lowest you'll want to go without getting into that unhealthy range
 
Thanks theleip. I understand what you've said and even in scientific terms I understand a lot about nutrition. Its been my life for a long time. I was an exercise phys. major in college. I know nutrition and what I'm SUPPOSED to do and what MOST people do, what works etc but its like the "practice what you preach" thing with me. I got myself into a rut a long time ago with the low cal thing. I got busy in college, I got too active and I got into a holding pattern of that. My body got used to the very low cal lifestyle and I adjusted to the sleepless, foodless existance of college life. Now I'm paying the price and trying to get out of it. Its not a resistance on my part. I really want to be where I need to be. I have gone from 600 cals (daily...over YEARS) up to the range I'm in now..over the past 2 months. I increased slowly and so the 1200--1400 you see me at now is GOOD for me, at this time. Its taken a lot of guts for me just do mentally decide to go for it and try not to care what happens with weight knowing its going to even out eventually once I'm where I should be. My goal started, and still is to be at 2000 cals. I posted that early on in my journal. I want to get to that number and after a few weeks THEN bounce around with it. Its just getting up to higher cals that is hard without gaining a ton of weight. Its as much mental as it is physical. I physically have a very hard time eating that much. I do eat 5 solid meals a day. I've done that all along. I eat good carbs, when I eat them: the oatmeal, rice, veggies etc. I have them before and after my workouts. True I am apprehensive about carbs, and for the reason you said....I tend to gain quickly when I increase them. I am 3 pounds heavier than when I started 2 1/2 months ago and I notice. My frame shows weight easily. I am willing to do what it takes but it isn't as easy as you make it seem. I think it takes someone who had been in starvation mode to really understand the struggle that goes with getting OUT of starvation mode. For now I feel like the only way I can increase cals is to increase good fats like adding olive oil to veggies or salads, natural pb etc. adding things that don't create much more bulk to my diet but get the cals into my body and get it used to the increase.

To be honest, I'm really tired of the whole food thing and this struggle but I determined a few months ago that I am not going to stay in this low cal pit anymore. it affects me too much and I hate thinking about it all the time and worrying about what I'm eating and if i'm going to balloon up from whatever it is. I want to be free from that. To be at a healthy level of calories, workout in a healthy way, lose body fat if I want, bulk if I want...to be able to do all these things because my body cooperates with me. right now it doesn't for obvious reasons.

So anyway, I reallllly appreciate your post and your help. I do covet everyone's thoughts and advice and appreciate everyone bearing with me through the process. Its made it much more tollerable and the times I feel like giving up or giving in, I don't because of the accountibility.

Thanks.
 
Well I think you are very strong and do think its great how far you come. And your right I haven't ever had to deal with that and am certainly not trying to push you to something you aren't ready for. I am also glad that its a goal for you at some point.

And for what its worth you are a beautiful women and honestly I don't see any room for improvement as it is. I know we are all our own worst critics, but as far as outside opinions go I think you got something to be proud of, outside and in.
 
Leip your posts are always first class.

Sorry to just wade into your thread like that Sparrow :eek:

15% bf seems cracking to me.
 
I didn't read the 2nd half of the thread because after Theleip's post... I knew all would be okay. Great post!

One thing I wanted to add (and it may have been covered-sorry if it has been!)... but Sparrow you can't cut right now. You need to increase the carbs or fats and get to a healthy caloric intake. That is your first and should be your primary goal.
 
ahh my goal is to get to a healthy caloric intake. I initially posted mostly because I was just peeved that even in eating very clean (yet I know, very lc) I don't see results most people would and feel I have no leeway to play with the numbers (as far as I can't say oh well if I just cut out that soda right there I'll see better results...). Not because I'm looking to try and cut. But I'm sure my body is still in starvation rebellion (although wow I hardly feel like I'm starving) and will cooperate once I get to that higher cal number. I'll deal. Today I'll add extra healthy fats and see how that goes for a while.
 
sparrow said:
can I choose...carbs or fats ? :D

lol ... sparrow, you're beating yourself up too much. You look real good. if you'd like add, a bit more good fats to your diet and see if the results are positive. Of course, that's JMO. I don't think slightly increasing you "good" fat intake will hurt you
 
See, I knew everyone would chime in :D

Good luck sparrow!

~Nicole
 
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