this is interesting. take a look at this video and give some feedback about what you think. i think he is 100% right 
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I agree with the basics of the presentation. It is like buying a lottery ticket. Lets look at the odds. There are a few things that need to be taken into account.
Much of the cost of bloated government will be due to stupid decisions that will not (or can not) make a significant difference. If you are betting on column A, there are huge risks because most of what people think needs to be done is no where near enough to make any real difference.
Take the proposal in Denver Colorado. If the plan works without any complications, people will be paying more taxes as well as paying more to have their trash removed. All to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 4.4 million metric tons by the year 2020, so 13 years. Its the amount of emissions from 2 small coal power plants.
China, builds 2 new coal power plants per week, and has stated that they are going to do very little about gas emissions. (also we are not taking into account increases in emissions in other industries or other developing countries.)
So in this example, denver will spend billions of dollars and be inconvenienced over the next 13 years, all to set pollution back less than a week, in only one industry, in only one country. (if one considers just some of the other industries it will set global pollution back less than a day.)
If 1000 cities in the US and Europe adopt the same type of plan, trillions of dollars will be spent over 13 years all to slow pollution down by a mere 1000 days or less.
This is a waste of time and money. People need to understand that change that will make a difference has to be worldwide, and extreme. So if people decide to take column A, making the simple and easier changes are a waste of your time.
I know the global temp has increased .7 degrees in the last 100 years.
I am not convinced that this is a big deal.
If it is I am not sure the people on our planet are capable of making the type of change that will make a real difference.
Some things to think about on the issue.
Much of the cost of bloated government will be due to stupid decisions that will not (or can not) make a significant difference. If you are betting on column A, there are huge risks because most of what people think needs to be done is no where near enough to make any real difference.
Take the proposal in Denver Colorado. If the plan works without any complications, people will be paying more taxes as well as paying more to have their trash removed. All to reduce carbon dioxide emissions by 4.4 million metric tons by the year 2020, so 13 years. Its the amount of emissions from 2 small coal power plants.
China, builds 2 new coal power plants per week, and has stated that they are going to do very little about gas emissions. (also we are not taking into account increases in emissions in other industries or other developing countries.)
So in this example, denver will spend billions of dollars and be inconvenienced over the next 13 years, all to set pollution back less than a week, in only one industry, in only one country. (if one considers just some of the other industries it will set global pollution back less than a day.)
If 1000 cities in the US and Europe adopt the same type of plan, trillions of dollars will be spent over 13 years all to slow pollution down by a mere 1000 days or less.
This is a waste of time and money. People need to understand that change that will make a difference has to be worldwide, and extreme. So if people decide to take column A, making the simple and easier changes are a waste of your time.
I know the global temp has increased .7 degrees in the last 100 years.
I am not convinced that this is a big deal.
If it is I am not sure the people on our planet are capable of making the type of change that will make a real difference.
Some things to think about on the issue.
Wowzers!!!!!
/passes this on
/passes this on
China, builds 2 new coal power plants per week, and has stated that they are going to do very little about gas emissions.
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Silly boy. Don't you know America is the sole cause of the whole problem, and George Bush is personally setting up heaters to melt the ice caps?
***dripping with sarcasm***
i personally think that we are going to give little effort to stopping global warming and even if the world knew for a fact that global warming is real, and that in a short time we can cause huge global problems, everyone would still get in their car and drive to work everyday because that is our way of life.
looking at another person's perspective:
"i dont even think global warming exists" or "its just natural patterns, it will pass"
obviously, there are going to be some people who say it doesnt exist. because the government doesnt WANT to stop making money off oil. think of all the money they wouldnt get if nobody bought gas any more.
there were people who said the holocost didnt even happen.
theres people who say we never landed on the moon in 1969
theres always some guy saying "it never happened" or "its not going to happen" or "it dosent exist". who to believe is our choice.
looking at another person's perspective:
"i dont even think global warming exists" or "its just natural patterns, it will pass"
obviously, there are going to be some people who say it doesnt exist. because the government doesnt WANT to stop making money off oil. think of all the money they wouldnt get if nobody bought gas any more.
there were people who said the holocost didnt even happen.
theres people who say we never landed on the moon in 1969
theres always some guy saying "it never happened" or "its not going to happen" or "it dosent exist". who to believe is our choice.
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Silly boy. Don't you know America is the sole cause of the whole problem, and George Bush is personally setting up heaters to melt the ice caps?
***dripping with sarcasm***
I wish there was a laughing icon thing. That was pretty friggin' funny.
Interesting fact - China will pass the US in emissions in the year 2008.
"i dont even think global warming exists" or "its just natural patterns, it will pass"
obviously, there are going to be some people who say it doesnt exist. because the government doesnt WANT to stop making money off oil. think of all the money they wouldnt get if nobody bought gas any more.
there were people who said the holocost didnt even happen.
theres people who say we never landed on the moon in 1969
theres always some guy saying "it never happened" or "its not going to happen" or "it dosent exist". who to believe is our choice.
The big difference in global warming compared to the moon landing the the holocaust is that there are living people who experienced both of the latter events. There is also the fact that these things did happen. People who deny them are simply crazy.
There is no evidence to guarantee that man can change the global weather. Scientists argue on both sides, but we do not know for sure one way or the other. We can choose either side because there is no clear answer.
Personally I do not want to spend trillions of dollars over the next few decades for actions that will not work.
better example: before they were PROVEN wrong, spokespeople and owners of the tobacco company claimed that smoking cigarretes does not contribute to lung cancer or ill effects. why? they didnt want to make less money.