Sport 8 Weeks of the Velocity Diet? (Currently at 16 days)

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Everything I've seen insists you stop and do the break-out after 4 weeks, but I have yet to see any sort of justification of that admonition. Good/bad/catastrophic/awesome idea, and why?

My reasoning:

2 straight months of velocity fits my goals better - "Drop as much bodyfat (and, less importantly, as little muscle) as possible by August 25." If I have to do a break-out and sit at maintenance for two weeks before school, I feel like I'll be "wasting" the month of August. Besides, I love the way I feel on this diet, except for being hungry all the time. ;)

The question is not whether I want to do it (I sure as hell don't), or whether I can (I will trade suffering for results all damn year if I have to), or whether I need to (obviously not) but whether I should. And, once again, why.

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I am very HAPPY to see someone on this website following through the V-diet, if you stick to it you will not regret the BF you drop.

I don't think it is wise to go through 2 months of it, everything i've read 4 weeks is it. I think 2 months is pushing it. You'd get better detailed and educated responses asking this question at T-nation, and maybe one of their contributors/trainers will pitch in.

By the way, how is the V-diet going? How much have you lost? You should have made a journal with before and after stats .
 
Phate89 said:
I am very HAPPY to see someone on this website following through the V-diet, if you stick to it you will not regret the BF you drop.

I don't think it is wise to go through 2 months of it, everything i've read 4 weeks is it. I think 2 months is pushing it. You'd get better detailed and educated responses asking this question at T-nation, and maybe one of their contributors/trainers will pitch in.

By the way, how is the V-diet going? How much have you lost? You should have made a journal with before and after stats .
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I did the Velocity Diet. I lost 17 pounds. Second week was the hardest for some reason. And then getting back into counting calories and watching carb intake was the hardest part of the diet.
 
evolution said:
I did the Velocity Diet. I lost 17 pounds. Second week was the hardest for some reason. And then getting back into counting calories and watching carb intake was the hardest part of the diet.
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Nice man, 17lbs in 30 days is very good. Did you know how much your BF dropped?
 
Phate89 said:
I am very HAPPY to see someone on this website following through the V-diet, if you stick to it you will not regret the BF you drop.
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Yup yup. Glad you like it, lol. For me it's something of an experiment with regards to my level of insulin resistance. Keto was pretty much unmanageable for me. Not in terms of discipline (I mean how hard is eating meat and cheese?), but in terms of tracking. It felt very sloppy.

Phate89 said:
I don't think it is wise to go through 2 months of it, everything i've read 4 weeks is it. I think 2 months is pushing it. You'd get better detailed and educated responses asking this question at T-nation, and maybe one of their contributors/trainers will pitch in.
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Hmmm, that's a good idea. I do have a membership and such.

Phate89 said:
By the way, how is the V-diet going? How much have you lost? You should have made a journal with before and after stats .
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I've got before stats (including professional bodyfat and posture analysis), pics, etc. I'll post them up when I'm done, as I'm going to go back and get everything re-done. It'll be a pretty good contrast, I think.

As for how much I've lost, let me see.. just over 8 lbs, I believe, after accounting for the water weight. Which would be roughly twice the rate I was managing with the same calories of solid food (20% less from protein and 20% more from carbs).

It's tricky, though, as I'm (for all intents and purposes) a beginner in terms of training age. I'm more concerned with what the photos show. I haven't been taking measurements, as I find them fairly unreliable at this point.
 
evolution said:
I did the Velocity Diet. I lost 17 pounds. Second week was the hardest for some reason.
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Yeah, this seems to be a pretty common theme. I don't know yet, but I expect smooth sailing from here. Though it's all been pretty smooth. I'm pretty committed these days. Anyway, I suspect it's the transition to keto. Which is part of why I think it'd make sense to just stay here 'til the end of the summer, then break-out while I'm breaking back into school.

I'm just throwing this out there on the off chance anyone can provide me with a good reason why I shouldn't do this. I doubt it, as the mechanics are essentially the same as keto. The food's just in liquid form. I can see why some people might go crazy and binge if they stay on it too long, but I'm totally acclimated. I actually quite like the convenience, simplicity and sheer efficiency of this. I aspire to be as robot-like as possible. <3
 
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evolution said:
I did the Velocity Diet. I lost 17 pounds. Second week was the hardest for some reason. And then getting back into counting calories and watching carb intake was the hardest part of the diet.
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I don't know a ton about the V-Diet, but 17 pounds in 30 days sounds very appealing...

how much did you gain back when you started eating carbs again?

Do you remember how many calories you were getting while on the V-diet? It's just protein shakes and fish oil right?
 
realworksuks said:
I don't know a ton about the V-Diet, but 17 pounds in 30 days sounds very appealing...

how much did you gain back when you started eating carbs again?

Do you remember how many calories you were getting while on the V-diet? It's just protein shakes and fish oil right?
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And flax "for fibre". If you follow Shugart's plan, which is to use ****ty products.

I'm doing a modified (and far superior imo) version myself. I'm not using flax because I don't trust the stuff (proestrogens!!1!1!11). And I sure as hell am not using Biotest products (well, except for the Surge I am using up/giving away as fast as I can - down to 1.5 tubs), because they're mediocre. For mono fats I'm using almonds (vastly improves the flavor of the shakes), and for EFA I'm using ****lots of fish oil caps (which is the same in the diet). I replaced the fibre in the fax with sugarfree metamucil. And I'm doing it with less than 20g of carbs on off days (less than I would get from the "absolutely necessary" Metabolic Drive alone, not to mention all the other junk and crap fat, and the vastly inferior type, ratios and quality of protein) , 65'ish on training days (because of the PWO). I'm also taking CLA, green tea extract, a multivitamin, calcium, and 200mg caffeine 2/3 times a day. Once upon waking and once before exercise, or in the early afternoon on off days.

It's basically a super low calorie keto diet without all that grease and the appetite suppresion and the difficulty tracking. For someone your size you'd be aiming for about 1300 calories on non-training days and 1600 on training days. Sounds worse than it is, though, as 70% of those calories are from protein, which leaves you feeling fine except for the hunger.

And seems to preserve muscle. I dunno. I still gained strength the first two weeks, despite massively overdoing my NEPA, which I will be skipping entirely for the last two weeks of this month's v diet to contrast the difference. Depending on what does or does not happen to my rate of strength and/or fat loss without all the extra NEPA, I will come up with a solid schedule of sufferance for August. :D

Also, for reference, we are roughly the same size currently (although I am significantly fatter), and I gain about 3-4 lbs of water weight the day after my one meal of the week. Which is also something I'm doing different - I have whatever the **** I want, within my calorie limit and the bounds of sanity. This week I'm probably doing pizza again as I have a lasertag overnighter. Good healthy pizza though. Next week it'll be blackened chicken, veggies and pumpkin pie at the Earl's in Banff I think.
 
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And flax "for fibre". If you follow Shugart's plan, which is to use ****ty products.

I'm doing a modified (and far superior imo) version myself. I'm not using flax because I don't trust the stuff (proestrogens!!1!1!11). And I sure as hell am not using Biotest products (well, except for the Surge I am using up/giving away as fast as I can - down to 1.5 tubs), because they're mediocre. For mono fats I'm using almonds (vastly improves the flavor of the shakes), and for EFA I'm using ****lots of fish oil caps (which is the same in the diet). I replaced the fibre in the fax with sugarfree metamucil. And I'm doing it with less than 20g of carbs on off days (less than I would get from the "absolutely necessary" Metabolic Drive alone, not to mention all the other junk and crap fat, and the vastly inferior type, ratios and quality of protein) , 65'ish on training days (because of the PWO). I'm also taking CLA, green tea extract, a multivitamin, calcium, and 200mg caffeine 2/3 times a day. Once upon waking and once before exercise, or in the early afternoon on off days.

It's basically a super low calorie keto diet without all that grease and the appetite suppresion and the difficulty tracking. For someone your size you'd be aiming for about 1300 calories on non-training days and 1600 on training days. Sounds worse than it is, though, as 70% of those calories are from protein, which leaves you feeling fine except for the hunger.

And seems to preserve muscle. I dunno. I still gained strength the first two weeks, despite massively overdoing my NEPA, which I will be skipping entirely for the last two weeks of this month's v diet to contrast the difference. Depending on what does or does not happen to my rate of strength and/or fat loss without all the extra NEPA, I will come up with a solid schedule of sufferance for August. :D

Also, for reference, we are roughly the same size currently (although I am significantly fatter), and I gain about 3-4 lbs of water weight the day after my one meal of the week. Which is also something I'm doing different - I have whatever the **** I want, within my calorie limit and the bounds of sanity. This week I'm probably doing pizza again as I have a lasertag overnighter. Good healthy pizza though. Next week it'll be blackened chicken, veggies and pumpkin pie at the Earl's in Banff I think.
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Well I just got done reading all about that diet... read both articles on T-Nation about it.

Jeez, it does seem to work but I don't know if I could go down to 1350-1600 calories each day...

I am thinking I will screw around with my current plan of eating a slight defecit and lowering calories little by little... then maybe on the last month of my cut go all out and do the V-Diet.. that would be great to get really lean before I bulk again.
 
I'd give it a try just for the experience, rws. It is not fun at all. XD But in a way, it sort of is.

So far on t-nation we've had:

* two people chime in with a one-sentence "vague scary warning" about my metabolism slowing down

* one suggestion of doing 6 weeks of the v diet and then doing the transition out in the last two weeks - his reasoning being that he lost just as much fat in the transition as he did during the diet itself (in conjunction with the above)

* one gentleman who actually did do "8 weeks of velocity", but did 4 weeks of true velocity followed by adding a healthy solid meal every week, which is what he recommends

* one dude who commented simply to state that I couldn't possibly successfully complete 8 weeks of velocity (apparently he didn't read the disclaimer... or anything but the title, haha).

Current assessment: the t-nation is populated by a bunch of ****ies.
 
* one suggestion of doing 6 weeks of the v diet and then doing the transition out in the last two weeks - his reasoning being that he lost just as much fat in the transition as he did during the diet itself (in conjunction with the above)

* one gentleman who actually did do "8 weeks of velocity", but did 4 weeks of true velocity followed by adding a healthy solid meal every week, which is what he recommends
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That sounds good.
 
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