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Hi, Im 18 a guy and have a super fast metabolism. My whole family is super skinny and im trying to gain weight. For about a year i've been massing at the gym and am getting stronger but I am still only up about 8 pounds in like a year. Everyone says blah blah eat to get big etc. But for about 4 months straight of working out and eating 4k calories a day I really didn't see a difference in weight gain more of just money loss.

I was wondering what's a good weight gainer supplement that I can take twice a day [ about 800+ calories per shake ] can be a meal replacement even though I will still eat with it.

Am I doing something wrong? I've been eating alot of peanut butter and bread/egg/butter etc. -NO FAST FOOD at all since I going for all muscle gain not really fat crap.

Stuff I wasn't impressed with: Myloplex [ spelt that wrong ], 100% whey protein, true mass.

Any suggestions of what food I should be eating seeing as I try and only eat 4 big meals a day-Breakfeast-Lunch-Dinner-Desert [please don't say eaty 6-8 meals a day because my metabolism will burn it all to fast ].

What are the best foods to eat to gain weight while working out?
What is the best weight gainer supplement with 800+ calories?
 
Try eating 5,000 Kcals a day then. It's quite simple, if you're not gaining weight then eat more.

Also, desert doesn't count as a 'meal' so eat more and eat more frequently. I can't see how a fast metabolism would make frequent eating pointless; if anything it makes it more important as your body will need constant fuel
 
Don't get depressed, but as I've said on my site... some people do have specific builds and sometimes cannot be changed too much. My little brother is the same age and has the same problem, as did I at 18. You're young and healthy and your metabolism will be going flat out. Keep doing your weights training and keep eating. You might not fill out until you're around 21, but it should happen. Be grateful you're on the thin side rather than the overweight side.
 
Trainer01 said:
Don't get depressed, but as I've said on my site... some people do have specific builds and sometimes cannot be changed too much.
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Sorry but have to disagree, what evidence is there to back up your claims?

If energy in is greater than energy out, there is a surplus and weight is gained; it's simple. The problems occur through human error like mis-calculating calorie intake and requirements.
 
Typhon said:
Sorry but have to disagree, what evidence is there to back up your claims?

If energy in is greater than energy out, there is a surplus and weight is gained; it's simple. The problems occur through human error like mis-calculating calorie intake and requirements.
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I'm sure you're aware of people having specific body builds, i.e. Ectomorph, Mesomorph, Endomorph or a combination. Often these body types people are born with cannot be dramatically changed.
Also, at the age of 18, it's like many teenagers who are thin until filling out at a particular age, no matter how much they eat or don't eat. It's just people fill out at different ages.
 
Body types just dictate a tendancy to naturally lean towards one type of body, they don't dictate your size and shape, that is moulded by lifestyle. An Ectomorph could be skinny or fat depending on their diet and lifestyle.

To say that someone won't 'fill out' regardless of what they eat is simply untrue.
 
Typhon said:
Body types just dictate a tendancy to naturally lean towards one type of body, they don't dictate your size and shape, that is moulded by lifestyle. An Ectomorph could be skinny or fat depending on their diet and lifestyle.

To say that someone won't 'fill out' regardless of what they eat is simply untrue.
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Well I know numerous of people in that situation that remain thin throughout their life no matter what they've tried. People have genetic make-ups which are all different and as he stated his entire family has a really fast metabolism. Further more, their DNA make up might give them a great percentage of slow twitch muscles which do not respond nearly as well as fast twitch muscles to weight training.
 
Typhon said:
Sorry but have to disagree, what evidence is there to back up your claims?

If energy in is greater than energy out, there is a surplus and weight is gained; it's simple. The problems occur through human error like mis-calculating calorie intake and requirements.
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There is a lot more to it than just energy in/energy out. BMR (Base Metabolism Rate) changes based on a slew of factors, like heredity, age, activity level, exercise level, hormone levels, nutrition, rest, etc. That is why eating too little can actually prevent weight loss and many people find cycling food intake and macronutrient levels can move them through plateaus. And exercise intensity and volume can result in things like over taxing the CNS, which may increase the hormone cortisone and decrease teh hormone testosterone, which can inhibit muscle growth.
 
dswithers said:
There is a lot more to it than just energy in/energy out. .
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Hmm

dswithers said:
BMR (Base Metabolism Rate) changes based on a slew of factors, like heredity, age, activity level, exercise level, hormone levels, nutrition, rest, etc. .
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All of which alter your calorie requirements so the energy in Vs energy out equations still stands.
All you've done is say how you can increase or decrease your calorie needs but the fact remains that whatever you do, if you eat above what you're using you'll gain weight

You talk about the BMR as though that's the number of calories you burn in a day, it isn't, the number is effected by many other factors which make up your daily requirements, eat above them and you gain weight.

dswithers said:
That is why eating too little can actually prevent weight loss
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If you eat too little your body uses less energy to run some functions which lowers your BMR to try and match calorie intake so my rule still stands.

dswithers said:
and many people find cycling food intake and macronutrient levels can move them through plateaus. And exercise intensity and volume can result in things like over taxing the CNS, which may increase the hormone cortisone and decrease teh hormone testosterone, which can inhibit muscle growth.
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This is all related to body composition, not weight. Things like carb cycling are affective as it raises your BMR and limits the food you intake.

As for hormone levels, these also effect your BMR in a massive way but their main effect in terms of muscle development is the role they play in protein synthesis. That effects body comp, not weight, if you eat over your daily calorie needs then you'll gain weight.

Anybody who claims they can eat above their daily calorie needs and not gain weight is claiming to break the laws of physics. They are wrong, and are just looking for an excuse for not regulating their diet effectively
 
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I quite like this article to help 'hard gainers', it's simple and to the point with some good tips



Here's a good bit of research for the 'metabolism' crew out there


Energy balance is a fact, just as night follows day, eat more than you use and you'll gain weight
 
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dswithers said:
There is a lot more to it than just energy in/energy out. BMR (Base Metabolism Rate) changes based on a slew of factors, like heredity, age, activity level, exercise level, hormone levels, nutrition, rest, etc. That is why eating too little can actually prevent weight loss and many people find cycling food intake and macronutrient levels can move them through plateaus. And exercise intensity and volume can result in things like over taxing the CNS, which may increase the hormone cortisone and decrease teh hormone testosterone, which can inhibit muscle growth.
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They're just not eating enough. I know a guy that only started gaining weight after consuming over 6000 kcals a day. Everyone can gain weight, just depends on how many calories it takes. And I wish we'd quit talking about cortisol. The body adapts quite quickly to cortisol.
 
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Kitsk48 said:
Hi, Im 18 a guy and have a super fast metabolism. My whole family is super skinny and im trying to gain weight. For about a year i've been massing at the gym and am getting stronger but I am still only up about 8 pounds in like a year. Everyone says blah blah eat to get big etc. But for about 4 months straight of working out and eating 4k calories a day I really didn't see a difference in weight gain more of just money loss.

I was wondering what's a good weight gainer supplement that I can take twice a day [ about 800+ calories per shake ] can be a meal replacement even though I will still eat with it.

Am I doing something wrong? I've been eating alot of peanut butter and bread/egg/butter etc. -NO FAST FOOD at all since I going for all muscle gain not really fat crap.

Stuff I wasn't impressed with: Myloplex [ spelt that wrong ], 100% whey protein, true mass.

Any suggestions of what food I should be eating seeing as I try and only eat 4 big meals a day-Breakfeast-Lunch-Dinner-Desert [please don't say eaty 6-8 meals a day because my metabolism will burn it all to fast ].

What are the best foods to eat to gain weight while working out?
What is the best weight gainer supplement with 800+ calories?
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Worst that would have happened is you would have to pay royalties to the DMZ fund for mast.... wait a minute. This isn't TA.

Reps?
 
tenpercent said:
Milk, Peanut butter, Eggs, Meat, Squats, Deadlifts, Veggies, Rows.............
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He doesn't wanna get huge. Don't be givin out these secrets!
 
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