Muai Thai or Taekwando

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Hello folks,

I do boxing but due to some personal relations breaking down I have a lot more free time on my hands.

I'm looking into doing a martial art for self defense reasons, two are offered in my area: Muai Thai and TaeKwanDo.


Self defense would be my primary goal and I'd much rather a practical martial art rather than a flash sportive one. I have no problem with what either course focuses on, the boxing doesn't really come into it as I'd like to try something new.

Sparring would be ok with me but obviously I'd want to get a lot better first before I went against someone.

The two sports clash as regards time so I'd be unable to do both.
 
If you already box, why not look into a wrestling style?
 
Streamline said:
I agree partly with phate. I can't say that Taekwondo is a joke but i can agree that muay thai is the way to go.
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I've never seen anyone take down someone using Tae Kwon Do in a real life situation, the people that take the classes take it just to show their "belts" and wouldn't know how to use what they learned in a real life situation, though of course if you are a fighter, you could use tae kwon do to some degree, but Muy thai is just so much better.

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It is "Taekwondo" not "Taekwando". Taekwondo is not "a joke" nor a summer kicking event. I'm not sure whether this misinformation comes from a story book or is kiddies play-ground chat. The military in most countries would not be teaching their personnel taekwondo nor would the Japanese have tried to stop its teaching during the Korean occupation.
 
tribal said:
It is "Taekwondo" not "Taekwando". Taekwondo is not "a joke" nor a summer kicking event. I'm not sure whether this misinformation comes from a story book or is kiddies play-ground chat. The military in most countries would not be teaching their personnel taekwondo nor would the Japanese have tried to stop its teaching during the Korean occupation.
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Go to any martial arts class, and watch how the instructors teach taekwondo, and yes, you will see it is a joke and nothing more than a recreational hobby.
 
Phate89 said:
Go to any martial arts class, and watch how the instructors teach taekwondo, and yes, you will see it is a joke and nothing more than a recreational hobby.
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So that is why the military in most countries teach it? You can do better than that.
 
My son just tested for his yellow belt in Taekwondo and did great. There is a lot of practice and discipline involved. I have gone to each and every one of his classes and I practice with him everyday. They also spar each other. There are many more things to be gained than just trying to learn to kick someone's ass. I think you would do well to take just to learn a little more about it firstly and secondly to gain a little more respect and tolerance toward others. Just my 2 cents.
 
Like any martial art, there are various levels of teachers and schools for TaeKwonDo. Some schools are just in business to make money (not that there is anything inherently wrong with making money, you have to, to stay in business) and sometimes resort to making is easy and giving out belts without any real level of useful skill required. Some schools lean more towards "non-contact" sport tournament fighting and don't do a very good job of teaching the practical self defense aspects of the art. However a good school with a good instructor can teach the esoteric aspects of the art as well as practical self defense. Many traditional schools teach in such a way that you don't get a lot of practical self defense techniques until you have put in a few years of effort, for 2 reasons: 1) the more practical techiniques of the art require a very high degree of skill, strength, flexibilty and/or mental concentration which take many years of practice to master, and 2) you are not considered worthy until you have proved yourself to be a dedicated, serious and hard working student by putting in your time (kind of like going to the gym).

The short answer is evaluate the teacher and the school, and be prepared to dedicate many hours a week for many years to master any useful skill.
 
Derwyddon said:
Somehow I doubt you've went around and sat in a bunch of different martial arts classes, phate, let alone seen ANYONE "take someone down" in real life with a martial arts move, of any style. Where are you getting your information?

Yes, there are crappy YMCA martial arts classes and people who take any discipline as a joke. But somehow I got the feeling you get your "information" from watching MMA.

I've trained with Juan Moreno, and even though he failed horribly at the olympics, I can promise you he's no joke and he'd pop you like a pimple.
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Well, the fact that you doubt me is just another reason why you don't really know me. I'm not fighter, but I have plenty of friends who do Muy thai and like to spar UFC style. and i've never seen anyone ever take anyone down in a street fight, with NO rules, using taekwondo

Some poster said her son takes it, and got his yellow belt. Which exactly proves my point. He's not learning to kick anyones ass in a real life situation, he's just learning discipline and some moves that "look cool".

TaeKwondo CAN be used effectively, but my point is that there are not many classes i've seen or people that have taken the class where it was taught for self defense and fighting purposes. Thats why Muy thai, or hell, even Hapkido would be more advanced and teach you how to actually defend yourself instead of just kicking and punching to look cool.

dswithers said:
Like any martial art, there are various levels of teachers and schools for TaeKwonDo. Some schools are just in business to make money (not that there is anything inherently wrong with making money, you have to, to stay in business) and sometimes resort to making is easy and giving out belts without any real level of useful skill required. Some schools lean more towards "non-contact" sport tournament fighting and don't do a very good job of teaching the practical self defense aspects of the art. However a good school with a good instructor can teach the esoteric aspects of the art as well as practical self defense. Many traditional schools teach in such a way that you don't get a lot of practical self defense techniques until you have put in a few years of effort, for 2 reasons: 1) the more practical techiniques of the art require a very high degree of skill, strength, flexibilty and/or mental concentration which take many years of practice to master, and 2) you are not considered worthy until you have proved yourself to be a dedicated, serious and hard working student by putting in your time (kind of like going to the gym).

The short answer is evaluate the teacher and the school, and be prepared to dedicate many hours a week for many years to master any useful skill.
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Exactly. The classes i've seen are overcharged, and they don't teach you **** that will save you in a real life situation.
 
Phate89 said:
Well, the fact that you doubt me is just another reason why you don't really know me. I'm not fighter, but I have plenty of friends who do Muy thai and like to spar UFC style. and i've never seen anyone ever take anyone down in a street fight, with NO rules, using taekwondo

Some poster said her son takes it, and got his yellow belt. Which exactly proves my point. He's not learning to kick anyones ass in a real life situation, he's just learning discipline and some moves that "look cool".

TaeKwondo CAN be used effectively, but my point is that there are not many classes i've seen or people that have taken the class where it was taught for self defense and fighting purposes. Thats why Muy thai, or hell, even Hapkido would be more advanced and teach you how to actually defend yourself instead of just kicking and punching to look cool.



Exactly. The classes i've seen are overcharged, and they don't teach you **** that will save you in a real life situation.
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Where in my post did I say he is just learning disipline and cool moves?
 
jenn said:
Where in my post did I say he is just learning disipline and cool moves?
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Not gonna get in an argument with you, just going to say just because you pay 120 a month for taekwondo, even if he takes it when hes older it wont save him in a real street fight.

Just sayin

done with this thread, made my point.
 
Phate89, you should argue in a logical fashion. Taekwondo is taught to the military and I assure you they do not "spar UFC style" with it. I asked in the other thread where the gentleman was belittling Taekwondo what the self defence module is called and he did not reply.
 
Phate89 said:
Not gonna get in an argument with you, just going to say just because you pay 120 a month for taekwondo, even if he takes it when hes older it wont save him in a real street fight.

Just sayin

done with this thread, made my point.
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Yep me too, just a note I wasn't arguing with you. Just don't make assumptions. You have your opinion and other people have a right to theirs, but being bullheaded and dissing other forms of the art is rude. It totally depends what one wants to get out of choosing one over the other, the quality of school etc. You don't have to get all freaky over a simple discussion! You need to chill a bit man.
 
What Jenn said. As I like to say 30-40+ times a day, there is no objective best.

I would recommend Muay Thai because it looks hella sweet and melts faces... But, obviously you don't want want to be giving my opinion too much weight. :rolleyes:
 
Good Lord, Jenn's son is taking a martial art. Since when are we training our children to go test themselves in the street? Why is the person in the TKD classes not able to defend themselves in t3h d34dly str33t? Did they somehow regress in their self-defense ability by taking TKD?

Last time I checked, most MA classes teach striking and kicking.

I have seen a BJJ player go to the ground and get torn up due to glass and gravel being on the ground.

Why do we assume when someone takes TKD or Karate or an art like that they suddenly have no defensive capabilities? Welllll...because we hear others talk about it and don't check things out for ourselves.

My suggestion-go check out both classes. Base your decision on what you enjoy more. I'd assume since you've been boxing for a certain amount of time that you should be able to handle yourself fine in a fight.

I can't wait for someone to bring out that wonderful fact that 97.24679854523908542308543% of all fights go to the ground.
 
evolution said:
I can't wait for someone to bring out that wonderful fact that 97.24679854523908542308543% of all fights go to the ground.
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100% in the case of fights with my girlfriend.
 
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